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welcome back old friends and maybe a few

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new friends

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my name is stephen cambion

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and you have reached us here

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on the midnight hour show

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tonight we'll be talking to zen from

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unspirituality

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who does a lot of amazing work

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zen does a lot

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to

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cast a lot of doubt on many of the new

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age woo-woo crazy people out there

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trying to

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steal money from people for what is

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essentially fairy tales and

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nonsense he does a great

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amount of work exposing these frauds

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and i thought that he and i

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should talk

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the first question i would like to ask

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you i got a whole list of questions for

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you but people ask me this all the time

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and so i wanted to hear someone else's

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perspective

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and and the question would be

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why do you feel that it's important

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to investigate some of these new age and

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ufo frauds

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and cons and and let people know about

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it why is that so important well to me

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yeah okay i was going to say that

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there's i'm sure there's probably

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different reasons

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for different people for me specifically

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it has always been the

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effects of dualism

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so dualism substance dualism this idea

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weren't really born out of the infancy

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of our species

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descartes

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talked about substance dualism which

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there were two

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substances a physical and a mental

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and so everything that they couldn't

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explain with feelings and thoughts and

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all this all the subjective content

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uh you know came from another place

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and then there was a physical so they

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basically separated it because they

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didn't understand and then plato had you

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know i think he had multiple souls like

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all the content inside were like you

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know you know we all have different uh

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different creatures and

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so to speak or different entities or

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beings you know different personalities

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different personas and so you know these

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were called you know various souls and i

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think that that uh also uh you know

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elrond hubbard from scientology also

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picked up on that with the painting

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and the funny thing about that is you

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know in our inner world uh if you you

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know a person starts taking the dive

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uh they'll discover all sorts of

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interesting things in here but so for me

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um when i came out with my first book

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permission to be human it was an all-out

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assault on

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uh dualism because i saw throughout the

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history i wanted to find out like what

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is the one thing

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that all the religions have in common

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affected our species and that was

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dualism that was separating a human

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primate a human animal into two parts

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and so your actual true core self it has

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nothing to do with your body your body

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is a vehicle

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and so what this did uh it was

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dissociate the person and which makes

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them start to do and believe in crazy

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which you can clearly see in religion

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because if they didn't if they didn't

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dissociate they wouldn't be doing the

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crazy things they're they're doing

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when it came to the new age

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specifically i saw it in the creature

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reality belief system which is

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um that you know someone gets raped they

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chose to be raped

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you know the jews and the holocaust all

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chose that children choose

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child abuse you know all these awful

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and it just goes on and on and on with

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the crazy belief system so that

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primarily was uh and still is the main

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and i i followed some of the work that

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you did on david wilcock

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and and i have to say i found some of

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the same things that you found what do

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you think the end game for a guy like

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that is like his he hasn't made a

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correct prediction since he started

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and he's been edgar casey reincarnated

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in a time traveler and now like you know

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yeah what is it just a long con for

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that's a simple answer

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um he's kind of like what i believe yeah

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he's got so many holes in his game he's

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been at it a long time

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and uh i know people who know him

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personally and you know um

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my opinion is it's all about the money

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you know he he made it he was one of

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times bestsellers so he's cashed in

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you know figuring out a way to sort of

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fade away out of the scene as it gets

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worse and worse for someone like corey

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good and and i can't prove this of

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course but if i was a betting man

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bet that cory good and david wilcox were

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sitting around one evening knocking down

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and david wilcock told corey goode he

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said hey man

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they'll believe anything you say i've

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been doing it for decades

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look if you want to get in this you got

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a little bit of time left

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because we're still in the back end that

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we're about on the back end of this

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but if you take you know make up a good

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enough story and you push this thing and

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then quickly get something out you know

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like your comic strips or something get

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that out as soon as you can

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and then you should be able to make

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enough money to get you into you know

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later years uh but the bad thing for

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i think i don't think they expected

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you know people like me and many others

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uh that are really coming down on this

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scam and i i don't think it's going to

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survive very long to be honest with you

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i mean i'm kind of hopeful myself i've

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been doing a lot of uh i've been doing a

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lot of just

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fact checking

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of his earthly claims corey good

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so and and and what i keep finding and i

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and i fact check him and then i can cite

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the source so you know he's got claims

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cps the child protective services were

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called on his family

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by you know his enemies and there's no

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paperwork of that there's no record of

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that whatsoever so when you go and you

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fact check this guy just about his

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earthly claims everything turns out to

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be false everything that he says that

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can be fact checked turns out to be

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false right so to me it's like it's a

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big jump from like okay cps

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you know called me about my kids being

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in an unsafe environment

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to i you know traveled into the stars

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and i time traveled like if you can't

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even believe just an earthly claim of

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his that's my new running theory and and

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for convincing to help convince people

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why it's a fraud and why it's a con you

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can't trust the guy when he says an

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earthly claim that can be verified yeah

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so how can you trust him when he's

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making all these ridiculous claims and i

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you and cw channel and others are having

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on the con like you're saying i think

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that there's a there's like a resistance

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kind of to this stuff now oh yeah no i

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i mean the stuff that i've presented

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ncw but i just speak for myself

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you know i mean has really been

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when i want to say expose on so many

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different topics like just the raw

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they didn't even they don't even know

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what it what it is they don't even know

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what she teaches and

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so they're messengers of this so there's

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just so many holes across the board

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it's really jaw-dropping that it can

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isn't going to last i really don't see

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that i don't see that it's going to last

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religious the religious meme repackaged

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going to last a while because there's

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in meditation you know and if people

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understand what's going on which is what

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is really in its infancy but if you

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understand it from a uh really a union

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your inner world all the magic and

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everything is there it's there's few but

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dualism serves as a as a um

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so i don't see that going away i just

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see it kind of lingering around

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for quite a long time

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you know grow tired of it i think that's

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what's going to happen with the

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disclosure thing i think all these

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people promising all these things

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eventually people are going to tire of

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nothing happening

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but human

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human monkeys are not the smartest

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creatures in the tree

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in general we're dumb we're pretty dumb

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creatures um and well that i agree with

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a smart one that pops up you know

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this is not you have to see it in

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spirituality religion you can just see

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it in the family unit

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you know and the effects of child abuse

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got people hallucinating you know the

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guy thinks his wife is cheating on

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you know or somebody says something they

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believe the story or you know something

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their believing brain kicks in about

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their child or whatever their wife or

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their job and then they're instantly

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being in denial

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of who we are

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because people you know running around

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the question like who we are where did

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we come from all this stuff it's like

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you're an ape

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look at your thumb

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the question is answered questions

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exactly yeah question is answered do you

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want people people are people aren't

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satisfied with that so that's why we

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have things like god and ancient alien

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theory and all of these other things

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yeah i believe anyway there's an

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inherent shame in it

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from our from our mythic past the

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religious past you know you're born in

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sin and all this stuff but you know you

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want to understand youtube activity just

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go look at the rhesus monkeys and the

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bonneville monkeys

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just watch what they do i mean the most

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popular thing

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the people that are making a lot of

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money on youtube are the people that are

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you know are you know what farting on

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camera i mean just

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goofy [\h__\h] yeah you know i heard you i

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heard you complaining about this and i

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wanted to tell you that i'm on it's on a

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break like you were talking about

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needing to recharge your battery so

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i i didn't want to miss this opportunity

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to talk to you so i'm supposed to be on

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a break but

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i'm i went through the same exact thing

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i started looking at youtube going why

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is this person getting a million views

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what kills me is the unboxing guys there

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are guys on youtube

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that um that take

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toys out of a box and show the toy who

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have a million subscribers their videos

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get a million views

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and i feel exactly the same way as you

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like you i could tell anybody could tell

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from your show you put all this

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tremendous time research energy effort

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into it and there's some guy opening

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boxes of toys that is lapping both of us

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150 times over

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and it's it's very discouraging but you

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know i i

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i decided like you that i just needed to

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take a break for a while rest do some

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other projects recharge my batteries and

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then go back at it because like you i

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must enjoy it because it's not a money

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yeah for me either well the question is

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why

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and i didn't get a chance to answer that

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one because i didn't think of asking

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that one on on on a live stream

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and the question the thing is so i say

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look at the bonneville monkeys and the

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rhesus monkeys okay i think i'm

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pronouncing those right i may not

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uh watch them they're they're they're

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humored by really silly stuff

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you know in places like india and uh um

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bali and stuff you know you can't look

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them in the eyes so they'll attack you

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they steal from everybody

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uh i think oh yeah i think yeah i've

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seen that stuff yeah i think they throw

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feces and so

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when you look at what excites

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you you know why humans are are you know

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we like to open things i mean it's all

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monkey stuff really and like when people

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this thing's the revelation i got in

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2012 when i had my human awakening

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all of a sudden everything made sense

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because i had never studied evolution

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because i had been raised in you know

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from catholic to christian to you know i

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was always in the i'm not a body and

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when i

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finally yeah i was raised catholic i was

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raised catholic too altar boy everything

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right yeah

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and actually my i got sent away to the

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seminary for all these weekends

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when i was in high school they were

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trying to get me to be a priest

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and uh that was enough for me

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like that was enough yeah i mean you

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know i still like going into catholic

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churches and sitting in there i like the

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smell brings back you know memories and

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stuff of uh i don't know

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it's a weird thing for me it's sort of a

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nostalgic thing but point being is when

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i understood the human monkey the human

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primate whatever it calls

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everything made sense

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like i'm not in mystery anymore i'm not

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in bafflement i understand why so and so

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has 12 million views

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you know and he's farting on camera you

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know what i mean like it's because it's

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humorous to the monkeys the monkeys

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think it's funny they get a kick out of

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it

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and uh

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that's it

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you know

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not to say that there isn't bonafide you

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know

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websites out there for particular

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markets of course but i'm just saying

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when you see

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people doing pranks for instance pranks

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okay it's funny the monkeys like it and

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again look at the behavior of these

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other of these of our primate cousins

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they're always doing little silly [\h__\h]

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to each other you know they're poking

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and they're running away and it's funny

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now i'm going to be thinking about

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monkeys every time i see somebody

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laughing at something stupid so thank

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you for that well i will tell you it

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will also change your whole

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consciousness once you really start

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looking at human beings for what they

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actually are

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like just when you're talking to one you

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know

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it's just

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it's an enlightenment that's all i know

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you know and i'm i'm proud you know i

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mean

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you know

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i got songs and i'm not

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i'm not you know

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so yeah you know it's funny because i i

431
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have often joked that i'm just a stupid

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monkey and can't understand these things

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when talking about like

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really advanced math i've been in

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computer science for a long time so i

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always i have joked in the past like

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right i'm a stupid monkey i can't i

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can't understand these complex things

439
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you have to explain it to me so monkey

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but i understand it but i will yeah but

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i will just if i could add in there

442
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though i think it's very important that

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people don't

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that they also realize everything that's

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wonderful about us

446
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everything that we create in magic

447
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art

448
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uh or uh

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social ethics

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uh creativity all of this

451
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is created by this

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wonderful

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biological

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create you know creation this this this

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primate

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so

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you know it's i think this is part of

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why people don't like to be called it

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because they think of

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funny monkey this is another reason why

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you won't see on social media you won't

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you'll see the lion you'll see that

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everybody go oh look at the lion oh look

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at the tiger how beautiful is you're

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never going to see them say look at the

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monkey

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and the reason is because

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i mean because we're related and it

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freaks us out on a subconscious level

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because

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you know they're they act funny

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they do funny things and they look funny

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um so just just to complete this thought

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because i wanted to insert it was

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um so i will say the monkeys i will say

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the herd i will say the zombies

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so what i'm talking about is

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sleepers

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uh people that

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haven't really initiated their life

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waking up out of the

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you know the the roach

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thinking the the trance state

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and so we are capable as a species as a

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human this incredible human animal we

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are are capable of tremendous things you

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know kundalini awakening massive

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creativity

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changing and transforming our world

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creating our life so this is the part

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that i've been introducing into this

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whole scene

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because you typically when you have when

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you go in this direction especially out

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of spirituality typically people will

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swing all the way over to atheism

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and uh

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i had so many subjective amazing

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experiences that i had i you know i

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couldn't just drop that so that's where

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i discovered and redefined the internal

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world from a natural biological

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perspective so

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it's a gradient and i i say people have

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to really kind of wake up to their dummy

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hood

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and then realize that they're actually

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wired to become more intelligent does

509
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that make sense

510
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yeah that makes absolute sense i don't

511
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know i think i might have went through

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something similar to that what you're

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describing some time ago i just decided

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like i didn't want to waste time on like

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fiction or television or you know like

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anything like that i everything that i

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read i wanted to be like a how-to or

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like

519
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you know for a long time i just sort of

520
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changed the input stream that i was

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getting right and i think that was

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beneficial

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right

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yeah you know the other thing that i i

525
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really wanted to ask you about lately

526
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you've been covering david ike

527
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and uh i i have not i i never looked

528
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into him much because as soon as i heard

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him talking about reptilian aliens

530
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ruling the world i thought this guy's

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nuts and i just

532
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wrote him off right

533
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isn't his net worth in the millions this

534
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guy and he claimed to be jesus and it

535
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just gets crazier and crazier how does

536
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this guy have a career worth millions

537
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well he didn't forever you know he he

538
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was broke

539
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for the long this thing this only

540
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happened the past so many years

541
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uh all of a sudden his whole thing had

542
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been working for for you know decades uh

543
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it caught somehow and uh you know next

544
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thing you know he's in wembley

545
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auditorium like overnight

546
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so

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i think it was just a critical time

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where

549
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you know yes the social media and maybe

550
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it was just the development of social

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media

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um because nobody you know i mean i was

553
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reading one of his his first book

554
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uh first

555
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his first uh book he really got into the

556
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and he took all the material from

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somebody else a number of different

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sources but anyway he was hard he was

559
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hard he wasn't yeah he wasn't known much

560
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in in the 90s

561
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uh and you know he wasn't he was kind of

562
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one of those

563
00:21:07,029 --> 00:21:06,080
rogue researchers but yeah i i think it

564
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was

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social media got the point that it blew

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up

567
00:21:13,830 --> 00:21:12,720
and he was interesting enough

568
00:21:16,230 --> 00:21:13,840
to

569
00:21:17,990 --> 00:21:16,240
you know attract a lot of people i mean

570
00:21:19,909 --> 00:21:18,000
the stuff he says is interesting i get

571
00:21:21,510 --> 00:21:19,919
it and that's why i followed him for so

572
00:21:22,950 --> 00:21:21,520
long um

573
00:21:26,390 --> 00:21:22,960
but

574
00:21:30,710 --> 00:21:26,400
you know you know people just can't see

575
00:21:32,710 --> 00:21:30,720
the whole package is all you know

576
00:21:34,950 --> 00:21:32,720
but i i don't understand with him what

577
00:21:37,029 --> 00:21:34,960
his whole package is is it just tying

578
00:21:38,710 --> 00:21:37,039
together uh you know thousands of

579
00:21:40,950 --> 00:21:38,720
different

580
00:21:43,990 --> 00:21:40,960
unrelated things and calling it a grand

581
00:21:46,630 --> 00:21:44,000
conspiracy that's it

582
00:21:48,630 --> 00:21:46,640
well that's it in a nutshell right like

583
00:21:52,390 --> 00:21:48,640
everybody does that let's just put it

584
00:21:54,149 --> 00:21:52,400
all repackage this previous material and

585
00:21:55,750 --> 00:21:54,159
change it a little bit

586
00:21:58,470 --> 00:21:55,760
yeah it's the same thing he's just got

587
00:22:00,310 --> 00:21:58,480
his cocktail that works and

588
00:22:02,070 --> 00:22:00,320
he's good at fitting together and of

589
00:22:04,549 --> 00:22:02,080
course in the series i just did you know

590
00:22:06,630 --> 00:22:04,559
you see the childhood motivation from

591
00:22:09,669 --> 00:22:06,640
his his childhood and

592
00:22:12,230 --> 00:22:09,679
and then his his early affiliation with

593
00:22:13,590 --> 00:22:12,240
the alice bailey work which is all what

594
00:22:16,070 --> 00:22:13,600
all this stuff is rooted on in fact i

595
00:22:17,990 --> 00:22:16,080
think i'm gonna do a live stream on that

596
00:22:19,669 --> 00:22:18,000
actually i wanna i wanted to see if you

597
00:22:20,470 --> 00:22:19,679
can explain to me

598
00:22:21,350 --> 00:22:20,480
how

599
00:22:27,510 --> 00:22:21,360
what

600
00:22:30,310 --> 00:22:27,520
psychologically to do because i'm still

601
00:22:33,029 --> 00:22:30,320
a little unclear on that like you had a

602
00:22:35,190 --> 00:22:33,039
great breakdown of what what his like

603
00:22:36,789 --> 00:22:35,200
psychological motivations for all this

604
00:22:38,710 --> 00:22:36,799
are well i don't really know if i can

605
00:22:40,870 --> 00:22:38,720
get in all the details right now you

606
00:22:42,070 --> 00:22:40,880
know because i really i just produced

607
00:22:42,950 --> 00:22:42,080
that and

608
00:22:44,310 --> 00:22:42,960
um

609
00:22:46,390 --> 00:22:44,320
so i i

610
00:22:48,710 --> 00:22:46,400
sure i'd almost have to have that cued

611
00:22:50,390 --> 00:22:48,720
so i could kind of run through each part

612
00:22:51,990 --> 00:22:50,400
but you know some basic stuff he had

613
00:22:53,510 --> 00:22:52,000
some problems with his father his father

614
00:22:55,750 --> 00:22:53,520
was domineering

615
00:22:59,029 --> 00:22:55,760
he was also raised poor

616
00:23:00,789 --> 00:22:59,039
uh his mother was sort of the the savior

617
00:23:02,789 --> 00:23:00,799
there's just a beautiful perfect savior

618
00:23:04,870 --> 00:23:02,799
of everything

619
00:23:07,029 --> 00:23:04,880
and he

620
00:23:09,190 --> 00:23:07,039
basically turned off in school because

621
00:23:12,549 --> 00:23:09,200
of this poverty and control there's this

622
00:23:14,870 --> 00:23:12,559
number it's a cocktail a family cocktail

623
00:23:18,070 --> 00:23:14,880
and which caused him to completely space

624
00:23:20,310 --> 00:23:18,080
out in school so he at an early age was

625
00:23:22,710 --> 00:23:20,320
he was already wanting to be somewhere

626
00:23:24,310 --> 00:23:22,720
else he is already looking as the

627
00:23:26,310 --> 00:23:24,320
dreamer out there

628
00:23:29,510 --> 00:23:26,320
so there's two kinds of dreamers you

629
00:23:32,789 --> 00:23:29,520
know there's the dreamer that grows

630
00:23:35,110 --> 00:23:32,799
organically integrating the child

631
00:23:37,510 --> 00:23:35,120
life with the adult life

632
00:23:38,789 --> 00:23:37,520
who focuses their dreams on creating

633
00:23:39,830 --> 00:23:38,799
things that are very useful for the

634
00:23:43,269 --> 00:23:39,840
world

635
00:23:45,510 --> 00:23:43,279
you know new inventions new stuff

636
00:23:48,310 --> 00:23:45,520
uh and of course our imagination is

637
00:23:50,149 --> 00:23:48,320
there so that we can foresee things

638
00:23:51,750 --> 00:23:50,159
you know we can work things out before

639
00:23:53,110 --> 00:23:51,760
we which was what i've been doing all

640
00:23:54,630 --> 00:23:53,120
day um

641
00:23:57,110 --> 00:23:54,640
with my website

642
00:24:00,870 --> 00:23:57,120
i just sit there i sit there and i just

643
00:24:03,029 --> 00:24:00,880
run like you know every direction i can

644
00:24:05,029 --> 00:24:03,039
before i get up there and work on it you

645
00:24:07,669 --> 00:24:05,039
know just everyone you know

646
00:24:09,350 --> 00:24:07,679
the natural evolutionary trait uh so we

647
00:24:11,830 --> 00:24:09,360
didn't get eaten

648
00:24:14,070 --> 00:24:11,840
or we would try things out before we

649
00:24:17,190 --> 00:24:14,080
went out on a hunt or something

650
00:24:19,750 --> 00:24:17,200
but um so he um

651
00:24:21,909 --> 00:24:19,760
so there's two kinds is that that kind

652
00:24:24,950 --> 00:24:21,919
and then there's the other dreamer who

653
00:24:27,110 --> 00:24:24,960
for whatever purpose reasons has is

654
00:24:29,590 --> 00:24:27,120
literally dreaming off into another

655
00:24:31,110 --> 00:24:29,600
universe completely dissociating from

656
00:24:33,029 --> 00:24:31,120
life

657
00:24:34,549 --> 00:24:33,039
in an effort to get away

658
00:24:36,470 --> 00:24:34,559
so

659
00:24:38,870 --> 00:24:36,480
as they begin doing this

660
00:24:40,149 --> 00:24:38,880
in escaping well in order to continue to

661
00:24:41,990 --> 00:24:40,159
validate

662
00:24:43,269 --> 00:24:42,000
this escapism they have to come up with

663
00:24:45,669 --> 00:24:43,279
reasons

664
00:24:47,750 --> 00:24:45,679
why they're escaping and then they have

665
00:24:49,909 --> 00:24:47,760
to call their escaping this whole you

666
00:24:52,149 --> 00:24:49,919
know really divine

667
00:24:54,310 --> 00:24:52,159
you know they become divine messengers

668
00:24:59,750 --> 00:24:54,320
of their own illusions

669
00:25:03,430 --> 00:25:01,590
yeah that's an excellent description of

670
00:25:06,070 --> 00:25:03,440
of what i think takes place with a lot

671
00:25:07,830 --> 00:25:06,080
of these cosmic con men and frauds and

672
00:25:09,430 --> 00:25:07,840
new age gurus

673
00:25:11,110 --> 00:25:09,440
yeah not all of them i mean i really

674
00:25:12,950 --> 00:25:11,120
think david ike is one of those who's

675
00:25:14,870 --> 00:25:12,960
sincere

676
00:25:15,830 --> 00:25:14,880
i mean i i really do think he's i think

677
00:25:25,350 --> 00:25:15,840
he's

678
00:25:26,230 --> 00:25:25,360
i i mean i have more respect for rocks

679
00:25:29,029 --> 00:25:26,240
but

680
00:25:30,230 --> 00:25:29,039
and they also have

681
00:25:31,669 --> 00:25:30,240
i have

682
00:25:34,950 --> 00:25:31,679
empathy for him

683
00:25:35,909 --> 00:25:34,960
because i do understand the sincere

684
00:25:37,909 --> 00:25:35,919
seeker

685
00:25:39,830 --> 00:25:37,919
um but then there are ti i think one of

686
00:25:41,590 --> 00:25:39,840
his downfalls though

687
00:25:43,909 --> 00:25:41,600
which i don't have empathy for is he's

688
00:25:45,909 --> 00:25:43,919
developed a certain arrogance

689
00:25:47,110 --> 00:25:45,919
and everything that has been come

690
00:25:48,950 --> 00:25:47,120
against him

691
00:25:50,230 --> 00:25:48,960
he's looked at as confirmation of his

692
00:25:53,029 --> 00:25:50,240
messiah

693
00:25:53,990 --> 00:25:53,039
so this is why i call him dumb

694
00:25:56,470 --> 00:25:54,000
because

695
00:25:59,110 --> 00:25:56,480
he hasn't a sign of intelligent people

696
00:26:00,310 --> 00:25:59,120
is the willingness to be wrong

697
00:26:01,029 --> 00:26:00,320
and uh

698
00:26:11,029 --> 00:26:01,039
he

699
00:26:13,510 --> 00:26:11,039
you know an expert on everything i mean

700
00:26:15,430 --> 00:26:13,520
he talks about quantum physics you know

701
00:26:17,190 --> 00:26:15,440
he talks about genetics he talks about

702
00:26:18,390 --> 00:26:17,200
all this stuff and glues them all

703
00:26:20,070 --> 00:26:18,400
together

704
00:26:21,750 --> 00:26:20,080
and finally when he got on stage at

705
00:26:24,070 --> 00:26:21,760
wembley auditorium

706
00:26:27,269 --> 00:26:24,080
there he is he finally made it you know

707
00:26:29,909 --> 00:26:27,279
the self-pri uh professed messiah there

708
00:26:32,470 --> 00:26:29,919
he is big big big staining the people

709
00:26:33,269 --> 00:26:32,480
you know he finally achieved

710
00:26:36,630 --> 00:26:33,279
it

711
00:26:40,070 --> 00:26:36,640
was so

712
00:26:42,950 --> 00:26:40,080
you know this is this is classic

713
00:26:44,149 --> 00:26:42,960
the classic ultimate verification of

714
00:26:46,390 --> 00:26:44,159
somebody

715
00:26:48,070 --> 00:26:46,400
through thick and thin

716
00:26:49,909 --> 00:26:48,080
you know went

717
00:26:52,230 --> 00:26:49,919
no matter what

718
00:26:53,669 --> 00:26:52,240
to fulfill

719
00:26:55,190 --> 00:26:53,679
and uh

720
00:26:57,269 --> 00:26:55,200
confirm

721
00:26:59,190 --> 00:26:57,279
and to validate

722
00:27:01,110 --> 00:26:59,200
their fantasy

723
00:27:02,870 --> 00:27:01,120
and there he is you know and he just

724
00:27:05,750 --> 00:27:02,880
can't see it

725
00:27:07,830 --> 00:27:05,760
so no matter how ridiculous it is i mean

726
00:27:10,310 --> 00:27:07,840
you know all scientists are bad you know

727
00:27:13,909 --> 00:27:10,320
and i'm right when i'm talking about you

728
00:27:16,950 --> 00:27:13,919
know missouri you know emoto's

729
00:27:18,389 --> 00:27:16,960
rice experiments

730
00:27:19,669 --> 00:27:18,399
are you serious

731
00:27:22,710 --> 00:27:19,679
rice

732
00:27:25,110 --> 00:27:22,720
you put happy happy on one jar and you

733
00:27:26,870 --> 00:27:25,120
put fat on one jar and

734
00:27:29,350 --> 00:27:26,880
the jar that has the word sat on it

735
00:27:30,870 --> 00:27:29,360
supposed to grow more mold

736
00:27:32,310 --> 00:27:30,880
you know

737
00:27:35,909 --> 00:27:32,320
that's why i say this is it's like

738
00:27:39,669 --> 00:27:37,669
yeah but you know what's funny is that

739
00:27:41,430 --> 00:27:39,679
when you wrap some kind of pseudo

740
00:27:43,669 --> 00:27:41,440
science in something you know that's

741
00:27:44,710 --> 00:27:43,679
like how they make it believable i guess

742
00:27:47,029 --> 00:27:44,720
like

743
00:27:48,870 --> 00:27:47,039
oh yeah we did these experiments come on

744
00:27:50,389 --> 00:27:48,880
man that's you're right that's crazy

745
00:27:52,389 --> 00:27:50,399
i've heard of these rice experiments i

746
00:27:54,630 --> 00:27:52,399
think it's it's ludicrous

747
00:27:56,230 --> 00:27:54,640
yeah well it it's you know again all you

748
00:27:58,310 --> 00:27:56,240
have to do is oh you have to think a

749
00:28:00,230 --> 00:27:58,320
little bit just try it with bananas you

750
00:28:01,430 --> 00:28:00,240
know try it with eggs you know nobody

751
00:28:02,950 --> 00:28:01,440
thinks of that

752
00:28:05,990 --> 00:28:02,960
you know why don't you try it with

753
00:28:07,750 --> 00:28:06,000
friends just tape the word happy on

754
00:28:08,710 --> 00:28:07,760
their forehead and get another friend

755
00:28:11,430 --> 00:28:08,720
and

756
00:28:13,350 --> 00:28:11,440
they do

757
00:28:15,510 --> 00:28:13,360
just like don't tell them what the words

758
00:28:17,990 --> 00:28:15,520
are just tape it onto their forehead and

759
00:28:20,950 --> 00:28:18,000
say we'll see in a couple hours you know

760
00:28:23,510 --> 00:28:20,960
it's just you know now there are also

761
00:28:26,789 --> 00:28:23,520
people that i i believe

762
00:28:28,710 --> 00:28:26,799
are they know exactly what they're doing

763
00:28:31,669 --> 00:28:28,720
and i would put corey good and david

764
00:28:34,230 --> 00:28:31,679
wilcock on that and quite a few others i

765
00:28:36,549 --> 00:28:34,240
think i think darylenka bashar

766
00:28:38,950 --> 00:28:36,559
i think he knows exactly what he's doing

767
00:28:41,830 --> 00:28:38,960
uh but

768
00:28:42,830 --> 00:28:41,840
you know i don't think david ike

769
00:28:44,710 --> 00:28:42,840
is

770
00:28:46,950 --> 00:28:44,720
intentionally

771
00:28:48,710 --> 00:28:46,960
i you know that's what i think

772
00:28:50,630 --> 00:28:48,720
i met him once

773
00:28:53,430 --> 00:28:50,640
i i just think that

774
00:28:56,310 --> 00:28:53,440
he is so desperate and felt so called

775
00:28:58,470 --> 00:28:56,320
and so special and his integrity was

776
00:29:00,389 --> 00:28:58,480
blended in with all that but he felt

777
00:29:03,350 --> 00:29:00,399
entitled to take

778
00:29:05,350 --> 00:29:03,360
everybody's published work and mix it

779
00:29:07,029 --> 00:29:05,360
all into his big package

780
00:29:08,310 --> 00:29:07,039
and i think he knew

781
00:29:10,310 --> 00:29:08,320
you know i think he knew if he promoted

782
00:29:12,870 --> 00:29:10,320
it before anyone else uh heavily that

783
00:29:14,630 --> 00:29:12,880
here's a good chance that you know he

784
00:29:15,830 --> 00:29:14,640
would

785
00:29:19,110 --> 00:29:15,840
you know

786
00:29:21,190 --> 00:29:19,120
be the messiah of the world

787
00:29:22,310 --> 00:29:21,200
you know one of my other favorite cosmic

788
00:29:24,070 --> 00:29:22,320
con men

789
00:29:25,029 --> 00:29:24,080
is billy meyer

790
00:29:27,830 --> 00:29:25,039
and uh

791
00:29:30,470 --> 00:29:27,840
i i'm gonna i'm gonna ask you for some

792
00:29:32,789 --> 00:29:30,480
advice briefly because i said i never

793
00:29:33,990 --> 00:29:32,799
would do it but i i'm gonna get a chance

794
00:29:36,389 --> 00:29:34,000
to interview

795
00:29:37,990 --> 00:29:36,399
michael horn well you know i you know i

796
00:29:41,029 --> 00:29:38,000
interviewed him i

797
00:29:43,269 --> 00:29:41,039
yes and listen i s i listened to like uh

798
00:29:45,990 --> 00:29:43,279
i listened to the first video and then i

799
00:29:48,070 --> 00:29:46,000
thought i don't i don't want to finish

800
00:29:49,830 --> 00:29:48,080
this until after i talk to him because i

801
00:29:51,909 --> 00:29:49,840
kind of had my own plan of attack and i

802
00:29:54,310 --> 00:29:51,919
didn't want to be too influenced but if

803
00:29:56,149 --> 00:29:54,320
you could give me some advice how do you

804
00:29:57,750 --> 00:29:56,159
interview michael horn

805
00:29:59,830 --> 00:29:57,760
now are you if you talk to him are you

806
00:30:02,310 --> 00:29:59,840
planning an interview

807
00:30:03,350 --> 00:30:02,320
oh yeah it's already set it's it's next

808
00:30:04,870 --> 00:30:03,360
week

809
00:30:05,990 --> 00:30:04,880
wow how did you oh how'd you get ahold

810
00:30:07,750 --> 00:30:06,000
of him

811
00:30:09,269 --> 00:30:07,760
just to his website just through twitter

812
00:30:11,909 --> 00:30:09,279
oh okay interesting just through twitter

813
00:30:14,470 --> 00:30:11,919
well you know he's um

814
00:30:16,149 --> 00:30:14,480
uh well let me see here and you said you

815
00:30:18,549 --> 00:30:16,159
want you watch true believers you said

816
00:30:20,710 --> 00:30:18,559
you watched my interview

817
00:30:22,870 --> 00:30:20,720
yeah the first one okay

818
00:30:24,549 --> 00:30:22,880
well you had multiple part videos so i

819
00:30:26,710 --> 00:30:24,559
watched the first part of it yeah only

820
00:30:27,590 --> 00:30:26,720
yeah it was just one interview we were

821
00:30:30,549 --> 00:30:27,600
gonna

822
00:30:32,310 --> 00:30:30,559
we obviously did we think about

823
00:30:34,149 --> 00:30:32,320
uh

824
00:30:35,669 --> 00:30:34,159
i forget what oh i think we were yeah

825
00:30:37,830 --> 00:30:35,679
because he and i have had a love-hate

826
00:30:39,990 --> 00:30:37,840
relationship and uh

827
00:30:41,750 --> 00:30:40,000
i think after that interview yes i heard

828
00:30:44,149 --> 00:30:41,760
that yeah yeah

829
00:30:46,389 --> 00:30:44,159
yeah he um after that interview

830
00:30:48,789 --> 00:30:46,399
he didn't like what i did but you know

831
00:30:50,789 --> 00:30:48,799
he made he he didn't make himself look

832
00:30:52,789 --> 00:30:50,799
very good in that interview because he

833
00:30:55,029 --> 00:30:52,799
wouldn't ask one question in a two-hour

834
00:30:57,029 --> 00:30:55,039
interview which i kept on asking him uh

835
00:30:59,110 --> 00:30:57,039
he kept on avoiding it and i was very

836
00:31:00,870 --> 00:30:59,120
direct with him so afterwards he you

837
00:31:04,310 --> 00:31:00,880
know we got into it and so that was it

838
00:31:07,190 --> 00:31:04,320
and then somewhere along i forget how um

839
00:31:08,149 --> 00:31:07,200
we ended up kissing and making up and

840
00:31:10,149 --> 00:31:08,159
um

841
00:31:11,990 --> 00:31:10,159
have talked about having lunch sometimes

842
00:31:14,549 --> 00:31:12,000
it comes down to sedona but

843
00:31:15,509 --> 00:31:14,559
i mean you know i i as a person i like

844
00:31:18,549 --> 00:31:15,519
the guy

845
00:31:21,909 --> 00:31:18,559
um but boy is he

846
00:31:24,310 --> 00:31:21,919
i mean he's like talking to uh you know

847
00:31:25,909 --> 00:31:24,320
it's a seventh-day adventist or a mormon

848
00:31:27,430 --> 00:31:25,919
when it comes to the billy meyer story

849
00:31:30,549 --> 00:31:27,440
there's just no

850
00:31:37,110 --> 00:31:30,559
you know room so i don't know you know

851
00:31:42,149 --> 00:31:39,669
you know i i would recommend just being

852
00:31:44,470 --> 00:31:42,159
on your toes and not letting him talk

853
00:31:47,350 --> 00:31:44,480
over you the whole time and being

854
00:31:48,789 --> 00:31:47,360
assertive to be very specific on your

855
00:31:50,470 --> 00:31:48,799
questions

856
00:31:53,110 --> 00:31:50,480
um

857
00:31:55,029 --> 00:31:53,120
you know one of those if you saw mine

858
00:31:57,110 --> 00:31:55,039
which would be great if you took the

859
00:32:00,870 --> 00:31:57,120
torch

860
00:32:02,230 --> 00:32:00,880
is uh is ask him you know so

861
00:32:09,590 --> 00:32:02,240
you know

862
00:32:12,149 --> 00:32:09,600
all these specific questions about yeah

863
00:32:13,590 --> 00:32:12,159
actions specifically

864
00:32:14,870 --> 00:32:13,600
yeah so where did the books come from

865
00:32:17,110 --> 00:32:14,880
that was the thing where did the books

866
00:32:18,630 --> 00:32:17,120
come from did they come from the aliens

867
00:32:20,470 --> 00:32:18,640
that was the question i kept saying that

868
00:32:21,990 --> 00:32:20,480
he would not answer and then

869
00:32:23,669 --> 00:32:22,000
after the interview

870
00:32:25,350 --> 00:32:23,679
i just took 10 minutes and found the

871
00:32:27,669 --> 00:32:25,360
answer online it was it was clear as a

872
00:32:29,590 --> 00:32:27,679
bell that billy meyer

873
00:32:30,870 --> 00:32:29,600
had been visited by an alien when he was

874
00:32:32,870 --> 00:32:30,880
a kid

875
00:32:35,029 --> 00:32:32,880
that's all that's where all the writings

876
00:32:36,630 --> 00:32:35,039
came he would not admit that

877
00:32:40,230 --> 00:32:36,640
because he knew

878
00:32:42,710 --> 00:32:40,240
he knows how silly the story looks

879
00:32:44,549 --> 00:32:42,720
and i can't help but think that either

880
00:32:47,430 --> 00:32:44,559
he's a real believer

881
00:32:50,549 --> 00:32:47,440
or and it's one of these two for sure

882
00:32:51,830 --> 00:32:50,559
or he's um got so much invested into

883
00:32:53,990 --> 00:32:51,840
this story

884
00:32:55,750 --> 00:32:54,000
that for him to

885
00:32:58,549 --> 00:32:55,760
you know expose it

886
00:33:00,310 --> 00:32:58,559
his whole life's gonna fall apart i told

887
00:33:02,870 --> 00:33:00,320
him i said look

888
00:33:04,789 --> 00:33:02,880
i said you know come on mike

889
00:33:06,950 --> 00:33:04,799
just just just let everybody know it's

890
00:33:09,029 --> 00:33:06,960
silly and you'll probably get a bigger

891
00:33:10,470 --> 00:33:09,039
following just blow the blow the doors

892
00:33:12,789 --> 00:33:10,480
open on this thing

893
00:33:17,110 --> 00:33:12,799
tell everybody you know i said the same

894
00:33:21,350 --> 00:33:19,190
that's awesome it's like everybody can

895
00:33:22,549 --> 00:33:21,360
see the pie in your face

896
00:33:24,950 --> 00:33:22,559
you're the only one that can't say it

897
00:33:26,389 --> 00:33:24,960
you know

898
00:33:28,470 --> 00:33:26,399
yeah i think that might be a good

899
00:33:30,789 --> 00:33:28,480
endgame strategy for corey goode like

900
00:33:32,549 --> 00:33:30,799
when when he finally runs out of cult

901
00:33:34,710 --> 00:33:32,559
followers and nobody cares about what

902
00:33:36,230 --> 00:33:34,720
he's talking about because we've had i

903
00:33:38,630 --> 00:33:36,240
don't know five years of him telling

904
00:33:41,190 --> 00:33:38,640
stories and not one piece of evidence

905
00:33:42,310 --> 00:33:41,200
maybe the last play for him to cash out

906
00:33:44,630 --> 00:33:42,320
is to just

907
00:33:46,389 --> 00:33:44,640
come out with like a documentary of how

908
00:33:48,230 --> 00:33:46,399
he made it all up

909
00:33:50,149 --> 00:33:48,240
that would be awesome that the first

910
00:33:53,669 --> 00:33:50,159
video i published on him i think it was

911
00:33:56,230 --> 00:33:53,679
in 2016. early 2016

912
00:33:57,909 --> 00:33:56,240
is uh was that exactly that in fact i

913
00:34:01,029 --> 00:33:57,919
did a parody on it the whole thing was

914
00:34:02,549 --> 00:34:01,039
about him uh coming clean telling

915
00:34:04,310 --> 00:34:02,559
everybody and that he would get he would

916
00:34:05,430 --> 00:34:04,320
get a bigger audience if he just told

917
00:34:07,350 --> 00:34:05,440
everybody

918
00:34:09,270 --> 00:34:07,360
but you know i think in the real world i

919
00:34:11,669 --> 00:34:09,280
really do think that

920
00:34:13,349 --> 00:34:11,679
if he just you know explained i mean he

921
00:34:14,950 --> 00:34:13,359
could even blame somebody you know that

922
00:34:17,109 --> 00:34:14,960
would that probably even work as well

923
00:34:19,430 --> 00:34:17,119
just blame somebody for it and i say you

924
00:34:20,950 --> 00:34:19,440
got sucked into it whatever

925
00:34:23,829 --> 00:34:20,960
and now you're here to expose it so he

926
00:34:25,510 --> 00:34:23,839
could become the savior now and uh you

927
00:34:28,470 --> 00:34:25,520
know i think that he could cash in on

928
00:34:33,270 --> 00:34:30,869
i just i just recently have been seeing

929
00:34:35,750 --> 00:34:33,280
proof that he

930
00:34:37,750 --> 00:34:35,760
i guess lied when he's back down on

931
00:34:39,510 --> 00:34:37,760
trademarking all this stuff because

932
00:34:42,629 --> 00:34:39,520
people are finding that he went ahead

933
00:34:44,710 --> 00:34:42,639
and he did trademark ssp right

934
00:34:47,829 --> 00:34:44,720
which stands for secret space program

935
00:34:49,750 --> 00:34:47,839
and blue avians and 20 and back and he

936
00:34:51,909 --> 00:34:49,760
has that's part of the dark that's part

937
00:34:54,230 --> 00:34:51,919
of the journalist thing wasn't it

938
00:34:55,270 --> 00:34:54,240
dark journalist yeah

939
00:35:00,150 --> 00:34:55,280
yeah

940
00:35:01,670 --> 00:35:00,160
when everybody made a stink of him

941
00:35:03,910 --> 00:35:01,680
doing that and he said he wasn't going

942
00:35:05,510 --> 00:35:03,920
to do it and now there's proof that yes

943
00:35:08,470 --> 00:35:05,520
he went ahead and did that

944
00:35:10,630 --> 00:35:08,480
well it was always a business

945
00:35:13,430 --> 00:35:10,640
i mean you just look what he's done from

946
00:35:15,270 --> 00:35:13,440
day one he's not acting like a secret

947
00:35:16,870 --> 00:35:15,280
space anything

948
00:35:21,750 --> 00:35:16,880
he's acting like a

949
00:35:23,670 --> 00:35:21,760
he doesn't look like a businessman

950
00:35:27,109 --> 00:35:23,680
there's nothing

951
00:35:29,109 --> 00:35:27,119
i mean i could you know i've said before

952
00:35:31,910 --> 00:35:29,119
um

953
00:35:34,470 --> 00:35:31,920
i've had connections with

954
00:35:36,069 --> 00:35:34,480
the intelligence community and very very

955
00:35:37,750 --> 00:35:36,079
very high up

956
00:35:40,710 --> 00:35:37,760
and this was a very

957
00:35:42,790 --> 00:35:40,720
fluke sort of thing that happened

958
00:35:45,510 --> 00:35:42,800
but i can tell you that this is such a

959
00:35:47,510 --> 00:35:45,520
joke

960
00:35:50,230 --> 00:35:47,520
and you know a lot of these people are

961
00:35:52,390 --> 00:35:50,240
planted disinformation agents

962
00:35:54,470 --> 00:35:52,400
and i can tell you

963
00:35:56,710 --> 00:35:54,480
that those who plant them

964
00:35:59,430 --> 00:35:56,720
sit back in their offices and they just

965
00:36:01,589 --> 00:35:59,440
roll i mean it's the funniest thing to

966
00:36:03,349 --> 00:36:01,599
them to see what people will buy

967
00:36:06,150 --> 00:36:03,359
you know like like those like they'll

968
00:36:07,829 --> 00:36:06,160
tell them well look you know you need to

969
00:36:09,990 --> 00:36:07,839
do something like the blue aliens you

970
00:36:12,630 --> 00:36:10,000
know try that one because

971
00:36:15,190 --> 00:36:12,640
you know the the egyptians have these

972
00:36:17,670 --> 00:36:15,200
hieroglyphs of these bird bird-headed

973
00:36:18,870 --> 00:36:17,680
blue bird-headed you know creatures do

974
00:36:20,950 --> 00:36:18,880
that one

975
00:36:22,550 --> 00:36:20,960
you know and then

976
00:36:24,310 --> 00:36:22,560
and then they just want to see how many

977
00:36:26,150 --> 00:36:24,320
people are going to buy it i mean i'm

978
00:36:28,069 --> 00:36:26,160
not kidding that's actually a real story

979
00:36:30,230 --> 00:36:28,079
i was told this was this was related

980
00:36:32,230 --> 00:36:30,240
actually to alex jones but i can tell

981
00:36:34,230 --> 00:36:32,240
you that that's something that i was

982
00:36:36,790 --> 00:36:34,240
told on the upper levels of the stuff

983
00:36:38,710 --> 00:36:36,800
this is just so hilarious but really you

984
00:36:41,670 --> 00:36:38,720
know another way looking at this in this

985
00:36:43,190 --> 00:36:41,680
world you have sheep and wolves

986
00:36:45,589 --> 00:36:43,200
and there's a reason why wolves are

987
00:36:48,310 --> 00:36:45,599
wolves and sheep are sheep you know

988
00:36:49,589 --> 00:36:48,320
sheep don't know what wolves know

989
00:36:52,069 --> 00:36:49,599
that simple

990
00:36:53,670 --> 00:36:52,079
you know and uh

991
00:36:56,150 --> 00:36:53,680
you know to be a wolf is a whole

992
00:36:58,230 --> 00:36:56,160
different type of beast

993
00:36:59,190 --> 00:36:58,240
so

994
00:37:01,829 --> 00:36:59,200
yeah and

995
00:37:03,270 --> 00:37:01,839
a wolf does not ask permission he just

996
00:37:06,150 --> 00:37:03,280
eats the sheep

997
00:37:08,710 --> 00:37:06,160
a wolf does not concern himself with the

998
00:37:11,510 --> 00:37:08,720
opinions of sheep

999
00:37:13,270 --> 00:37:11,520
yes exactly yeah

1000
00:37:16,230 --> 00:37:13,280
yeah i had a friend that told me that

1001
00:37:19,270 --> 00:37:16,240
but with lions instead i don't know why

1002
00:37:21,349 --> 00:37:19,280
lions but it's it's a great saying

1003
00:37:24,950 --> 00:37:21,359
yeah we're all i also wanted to ask you

1004
00:37:26,470 --> 00:37:24,960
good i'm sorry i i wanted to ask you

1005
00:37:29,270 --> 00:37:26,480
you've been looking into a lot of these

1006
00:37:30,550 --> 00:37:29,280
new age and ufo frauds even longer than

1007
00:37:32,550 --> 00:37:30,560
me

1008
00:37:35,030 --> 00:37:32,560
so who do you think is the most

1009
00:37:39,109 --> 00:37:35,040
predatory of all of them and the most

1010
00:37:43,270 --> 00:37:40,550
uh

1011
00:37:45,510 --> 00:37:43,280
i would say the three amigos david ike

1012
00:37:47,270 --> 00:37:45,520
david wilcock and corey good

1013
00:37:49,670 --> 00:37:47,280
i would put them up there and then

1014
00:37:51,750 --> 00:37:49,680
there's layers of them you got bentino

1015
00:37:55,990 --> 00:37:51,760
massaro who uh

1016
00:37:58,550 --> 00:37:56,000
you know mr bobby sherman or or um

1017
00:37:59,430 --> 00:37:58,560
uh the justin bieber

1018
00:38:02,150 --> 00:37:59,440
of

1019
00:38:04,710 --> 00:38:02,160
spirituality

1020
00:38:07,109 --> 00:38:04,720
he's he's got that big smile he's like

1021
00:38:10,230 --> 00:38:07,119
hey let's meditate squeaky clean and

1022
00:38:12,230 --> 00:38:10,240
it's like it's like listen listen listen

1023
00:38:14,390 --> 00:38:12,240
you're a monkey okay and you're

1024
00:38:16,470 --> 00:38:14,400
attractive one so you have a lot of

1025
00:38:18,950 --> 00:38:16,480
people that you're cute the rest of your

1026
00:38:22,150 --> 00:38:18,960
stuff you say is silly because all it is

1027
00:38:25,030 --> 00:38:22,160
is just repackaged raw material that any

1028
00:38:26,390 --> 00:38:25,040
of us with part of a brain can see so

1029
00:38:28,630 --> 00:38:26,400
the rest of this is just like when a

1030
00:38:29,829 --> 00:38:28,640
girl goes on to youtube

1031
00:38:31,190 --> 00:38:29,839
you can have like

1032
00:38:33,510 --> 00:38:31,200
you know you have two

1033
00:38:35,349 --> 00:38:33,520
uh youtube channels

1034
00:38:37,670 --> 00:38:35,359
of girls one of them is attractive and

1035
00:38:39,510 --> 00:38:37,680
the other one's not so attractive

1036
00:38:41,190 --> 00:38:39,520
and you're gonna see an attractive one

1037
00:38:44,310 --> 00:38:41,200
you're gonna see like triple the amount

1038
00:38:46,710 --> 00:38:44,320
of subscribers because the monkey's like

1039
00:38:49,670 --> 00:38:46,720
it's natural it's natural

1040
00:38:51,510 --> 00:38:49,680
the organisms the organism moves towards

1041
00:38:54,150 --> 00:38:51,520
all that nature is doing is that is

1042
00:38:55,270 --> 00:38:54,160
having sex to re to grow it's like a

1043
00:38:58,630 --> 00:38:55,280
virus

1044
00:39:00,390 --> 00:38:58,640
call it human beings the whole thing's

1045
00:39:02,150 --> 00:39:00,400
about to continue growing because

1046
00:39:06,390 --> 00:39:02,160
there's this urge to survive

1047
00:39:08,790 --> 00:39:06,400
so the attraction model is there and uh

1048
00:39:10,390 --> 00:39:08,800
so that's what you're going to see so so

1049
00:39:12,150 --> 00:39:10,400
bentino

1050
00:39:13,910 --> 00:39:12,160
uh he's cute

1051
00:39:15,990 --> 00:39:13,920
so he's cute so this is where he got his

1052
00:39:17,990 --> 00:39:16,000
stuff and most of the people that are

1053
00:39:19,349 --> 00:39:18,000
around him or so got their spirit

1054
00:39:21,030 --> 00:39:19,359
goggles on

1055
00:39:22,710 --> 00:39:21,040
that that they can't even see not only

1056
00:39:23,670 --> 00:39:22,720
that you know he keeps enforcing that

1057
00:39:25,510 --> 00:39:23,680
we're not

1058
00:39:27,910 --> 00:39:25,520
animals that the earth is simply i mean

1059
00:39:29,349 --> 00:39:27,920
the bodies of meat suit so they're

1060
00:39:30,710 --> 00:39:29,359
completely dissociated while they're

1061
00:39:31,589 --> 00:39:30,720
getting they don't know what they're

1062
00:39:33,990 --> 00:39:31,599
doing

1063
00:39:36,150 --> 00:39:34,000
um but i would put

1064
00:39:38,230 --> 00:39:36,160
i would put the three of them at top i

1065
00:39:40,310 --> 00:39:38,240
would say you know david ike's way up

1066
00:39:41,510 --> 00:39:40,320
there i'd almost put david ike at the

1067
00:39:44,069 --> 00:39:41,520
pentacle

1068
00:39:45,829 --> 00:39:44,079
there's just so many

1069
00:39:48,550 --> 00:39:45,839
there's so many

1070
00:39:50,550 --> 00:39:48,560
underneath that pyramid

1071
00:39:53,190 --> 00:39:50,560
um

1072
00:39:54,630 --> 00:39:53,200
i think right off the bat i think david

1073
00:39:56,950 --> 00:39:54,640
ike would be

1074
00:40:00,310 --> 00:39:56,960
as far as real woo

1075
00:40:02,710 --> 00:40:00,320
across the board as far as like

1076
00:40:08,230 --> 00:40:04,630
secret government

1077
00:40:09,910 --> 00:40:08,240
underground this and that ufos uh

1078
00:40:11,589 --> 00:40:09,920
everything's the matrix we're creating

1079
00:40:13,030 --> 00:40:11,599
our route reality

1080
00:40:15,270 --> 00:40:13,040
blah blah blah

1081
00:40:16,950 --> 00:40:15,280
funny thing he talks about is how

1082
00:40:18,630 --> 00:40:16,960
you know he talks about words you know

1083
00:40:19,990 --> 00:40:18,640
we create our reality with words you put

1084
00:40:21,750 --> 00:40:20,000
out a negative thing out there it's a

1085
00:40:23,430 --> 00:40:21,760
negative reality put out a positive

1086
00:40:26,470 --> 00:40:23,440
thing and then he spends the next 10

1087
00:40:29,270 --> 00:40:26,480
hours talking about negative stuff about

1088
00:40:31,030 --> 00:40:29,280
how awful the world is and how how evil

1089
00:40:33,109 --> 00:40:31,040
uh you know the

1090
00:40:34,550 --> 00:40:33,119
the powers that be are

1091
00:40:36,150 --> 00:40:34,560
i mean it's just silly but anyway i

1092
00:40:38,870 --> 00:40:36,160
would put him at the top

1093
00:40:41,270 --> 00:40:38,880
i would put wilcox

1094
00:40:43,030 --> 00:40:41,280
corey good group disclosure group

1095
00:40:45,109 --> 00:40:43,040
right underneath him

1096
00:40:47,030 --> 00:40:45,119
and then

1097
00:40:48,390 --> 00:40:47,040
the rest of the pyramid below i would

1098
00:40:50,069 --> 00:40:48,400
you know you could sprinkle in all the

1099
00:40:52,470 --> 00:40:50,079
channelers

1100
00:40:53,990 --> 00:40:52,480
and uh

1101
00:40:56,069 --> 00:40:54,000
you know i mean a lot of this you know a

1102
00:40:57,990 --> 00:40:56,079
lot of this is is i mean this is i don't

1103
00:40:59,829 --> 00:40:58,000
know this isn't as there's a second

1104
00:41:00,790 --> 00:40:59,839
millennial wave i've been watching going

1105
00:41:04,390 --> 00:41:00,800
on

1106
00:41:06,790 --> 00:41:04,400
uh but you know the the real flowering

1107
00:41:08,470 --> 00:41:06,800
of the new age has been is passed

1108
00:41:10,950 --> 00:41:08,480
we're past the

1109
00:41:12,710 --> 00:41:10,960
you know that i think we're in a

1110
00:41:14,550 --> 00:41:12,720
dike you know i think it's digressing

1111
00:41:16,470 --> 00:41:14,560
slowly but that doesn't mean that it's

1112
00:41:17,910 --> 00:41:16,480
not going to be around for a long time

1113
00:41:20,390 --> 00:41:17,920
but i think

1114
00:41:22,550 --> 00:41:20,400
i think that heyday

1115
00:41:25,270 --> 00:41:22,560
you know the flower child day of the new

1116
00:41:26,870 --> 00:41:25,280
age i i think at that we've hit our peak

1117
00:41:28,470 --> 00:41:26,880
on that one

1118
00:41:30,069 --> 00:41:28,480
because you don't have like like if you

1119
00:41:32,069 --> 00:41:30,079
had asked me that about five years ago

1120
00:41:34,550 --> 00:41:32,079
or so you know i would have said esther

1121
00:41:36,470 --> 00:41:34,560
hicks you know abraham

1122
00:41:38,790 --> 00:41:36,480
channeled material you know i would have

1123
00:41:40,630 --> 00:41:38,800
probably still thrown in rampa it would

1124
00:41:43,190 --> 00:41:40,640
have thrown in you know a number of

1125
00:41:46,150 --> 00:41:43,200
others and like the what the bleep movie

1126
00:41:49,349 --> 00:41:46,160
and you know and even deepak chopra

1127
00:41:53,030 --> 00:41:49,359
but he he he took a dive because he got

1128
00:41:56,870 --> 00:41:55,349
yeah yeah i've i've

1129
00:41:58,230 --> 00:41:56,880
i've i've listened to some of your

1130
00:41:59,990 --> 00:41:58,240
coverage of that and i think it's

1131
00:42:02,390 --> 00:42:00,000
awesome yeah he wrote he wrote i don't

1132
00:42:04,390 --> 00:42:02,400
know what 20 20 books uh and they're all

1133
00:42:06,790 --> 00:42:04,400
wrong

1134
00:42:08,550 --> 00:42:06,800
yeah and and you gotta you know like

1135
00:42:10,630 --> 00:42:08,560
okay i get that some people are

1136
00:42:12,710 --> 00:42:10,640
spiritual but when they try to connect

1137
00:42:13,829 --> 00:42:12,720
to science and talk like they're in

1138
00:42:17,270 --> 00:42:13,839
authority

1139
00:42:20,069 --> 00:42:17,280
that's a problem for me right you know

1140
00:42:22,550 --> 00:42:20,079
and and him even stepping into quantum

1141
00:42:23,670 --> 00:42:22,560
physics to try to i don't i don't i

1142
00:42:25,109 --> 00:42:23,680
don't get it

1143
00:42:26,309 --> 00:42:25,119
you know but that's another one of those

1144
00:42:28,710 --> 00:42:26,319
media

1145
00:42:30,950 --> 00:42:28,720
big time celebrities that's selling

1146
00:42:32,950 --> 00:42:30,960
repackaged

1147
00:42:35,109 --> 00:42:32,960
you know a couple thousand year old

1148
00:42:37,349 --> 00:42:35,119
philosophy right for the most part i

1149
00:42:39,589 --> 00:42:37,359
think that's what he does you know well

1150
00:42:41,510 --> 00:42:39,599
it was irritability you know yeah it was

1151
00:42:44,390 --> 00:42:41,520
hip though you know there was a few

1152
00:42:48,710 --> 00:42:44,400
books that came out in the late mid to

1153
00:42:51,430 --> 00:42:50,069
you know

1154
00:42:55,109 --> 00:42:51,440
number of books came out i'm trying to

1155
00:42:59,829 --> 00:42:56,829
one really popular

1156
00:43:01,990 --> 00:42:59,839
one so yeah you know it it was already

1157
00:43:03,589 --> 00:43:02,000
there already some theories and so they

1158
00:43:06,150 --> 00:43:03,599
have always done that it was like with

1159
00:43:07,829 --> 00:43:06,160
the um the higgs boson

1160
00:43:09,589 --> 00:43:07,839
you know somebody said it's the god

1161
00:43:11,030 --> 00:43:09,599
particle and they all jumped on it like

1162
00:43:12,390 --> 00:43:11,040
flies on

1163
00:43:15,270 --> 00:43:12,400
crap you know

1164
00:43:18,069 --> 00:43:15,280
it's like oh it's the god particle now

1165
00:43:20,230 --> 00:43:18,079
now we've achieved now we know we're

1166
00:43:23,030 --> 00:43:20,240
gonna let everybody know that

1167
00:43:25,589 --> 00:43:23,040
no you don't know anything go sit down

1168
00:43:27,589 --> 00:43:25,599
uh and so they do that every yeah every

1169
00:43:29,190 --> 00:43:27,599
little scientific thing while they're

1170
00:43:32,470 --> 00:43:29,200
demonizing science

1171
00:43:33,910 --> 00:43:32,480
their little circle but the minute

1172
00:43:35,670 --> 00:43:33,920
something comes out in science that can

1173
00:43:38,069 --> 00:43:35,680
confirm that all of a sudden science is

1174
00:43:39,030 --> 00:43:38,079
a great authority and they're now stan i

1175
00:43:41,190 --> 00:43:39,040
mean

1176
00:43:43,270 --> 00:43:41,200
it's hilarious how this thing goes you

1177
00:43:45,510 --> 00:43:43,280
know

1178
00:43:47,750 --> 00:43:45,520
yeah i think that i've heard people do

1179
00:43:50,550 --> 00:43:47,760
that when it comes to science and the

1180
00:43:52,550 --> 00:43:50,560
bible like just to explain you know like

1181
00:43:54,710 --> 00:43:52,560
suddenly they trust archaeologists when

1182
00:43:57,190 --> 00:43:54,720
they think they found an artifact you

1183
00:43:58,710 --> 00:43:57,200
know but otherwise you're right science

1184
00:44:00,790 --> 00:43:58,720
terrible

1185
00:44:03,430 --> 00:44:00,800
yeah well we'll see how long this

1186
00:44:07,829 --> 00:44:03,440
millennial group goes because

1187
00:44:10,630 --> 00:44:07,839
you know this is the way that i really

1188
00:44:11,750 --> 00:44:10,640
know this is what we're dealing with

1189
00:44:13,829 --> 00:44:11,760
really

1190
00:44:16,710 --> 00:44:13,839
uh this new freshy

1191
00:44:19,109 --> 00:44:16,720
group of you know people channeling and

1192
00:44:20,950 --> 00:44:19,119
you know and i see you listen there's

1193
00:44:23,190 --> 00:44:20,960
value in doing this but there's great

1194
00:44:24,550 --> 00:44:23,200
this great deception in it and this

1195
00:44:26,710 --> 00:44:24,560
which is what i'm

1196
00:44:28,710 --> 00:44:26,720
focusing on in zen temple is guiding

1197
00:44:31,670 --> 00:44:28,720
people into the real deal

1198
00:44:34,309 --> 00:44:31,680
and knowing not where to where to get uh

1199
00:44:37,750 --> 00:44:34,319
caught by maya you know illusion

1200
00:44:39,030 --> 00:44:37,760
but in the new age it's all maya oh my

1201
00:44:41,349 --> 00:44:39,040
oh

1202
00:44:43,349 --> 00:44:41,359
the whole thing is mine

1203
00:44:45,430 --> 00:44:43,359
yeah i mean these young ones coming up

1204
00:44:46,950 --> 00:44:45,440
and channeling you know look i could say

1205
00:44:48,069 --> 00:44:46,960
you could channel and then temple but

1206
00:44:49,910 --> 00:44:48,079
i'm going to show you what's actually

1207
00:44:52,230 --> 00:44:49,920
going on and why it's actually good for

1208
00:44:53,990 --> 00:44:52,240
you in this context because it's helping

1209
00:44:55,109 --> 00:44:54,000
you unders it's helping you open up your

1210
00:44:56,710 --> 00:44:55,119
inner world

1211
00:44:58,950 --> 00:44:56,720
you know it's hell even praying in

1212
00:45:01,270 --> 00:44:58,960
tongues all of this stuff i mean i could

1213
00:45:03,430 --> 00:45:01,280
you know i can do whole seminars on this

1214
00:45:06,309 --> 00:45:03,440
but where the in the

1215
00:45:08,790 --> 00:45:06,319
in the framework there man no

1216
00:45:10,710 --> 00:45:08,800
no that's just parallelism illusion

1217
00:45:13,349 --> 00:45:10,720
yeah i was gonna i was gonna ask you how

1218
00:45:15,109 --> 00:45:13,359
you came to your current sort of uh

1219
00:45:17,349 --> 00:45:15,119
religious beliefs because you you kind

1220
00:45:18,390 --> 00:45:17,359
of started out catholic like me and then

1221
00:45:22,230 --> 00:45:18,400
i got into

1222
00:45:24,950 --> 00:45:22,240
just regular buddhism but you seem to be

1223
00:45:28,870 --> 00:45:24,960
really focused on zen buddhism

1224
00:45:30,710 --> 00:45:28,880
no no no no it's my own it's my own uh

1225
00:45:32,390 --> 00:45:30,720
it's your own event it's completely on

1226
00:45:34,710 --> 00:45:32,400
yeah it's all it's totally original it's

1227
00:45:36,470 --> 00:45:34,720
it's it's actually

1228
00:45:37,910 --> 00:45:36,480
it's in well it's all inspired for my

1229
00:45:40,150 --> 00:45:37,920
work and then there were a couple things

1230
00:45:41,270 --> 00:45:40,160
like one thing that i wanted to find was

1231
00:45:43,589 --> 00:45:41,280
a really

1232
00:45:44,550 --> 00:45:43,599
simple thing that i could pass on to

1233
00:45:46,390 --> 00:45:44,560
people

1234
00:45:48,630 --> 00:45:46,400
when i got this started and that was

1235
00:45:49,829 --> 00:45:48,640
focusing and critical thinking and i you

1236
00:45:51,109 --> 00:45:49,839
know i've always said from day one i

1237
00:45:52,230 --> 00:45:51,119
said you learn those two you don't need

1238
00:45:54,470 --> 00:45:52,240
anything else

1239
00:45:56,790 --> 00:45:54,480
uh you can boil all spiritual path down

1240
00:45:58,790 --> 00:45:56,800
to focusing

1241
00:46:04,390 --> 00:45:58,800
so

1242
00:46:07,750 --> 00:46:04,400
you know that's what i wrote in my book

1243
00:46:10,069 --> 00:46:07,760
so i wrote my story so people could see

1244
00:46:13,190 --> 00:46:10,079
and uh you know i've lived it i've

1245
00:46:14,630 --> 00:46:13,200
walked it and i am really

1246
00:46:18,470 --> 00:46:14,640
the

1247
00:46:20,950 --> 00:46:18,480
of a true seeker

1248
00:46:22,309 --> 00:46:20,960
that goes head on hand with lot head on

1249
00:46:25,430 --> 00:46:22,319
with life

1250
00:46:28,470 --> 00:46:25,440
really gets into it discovers their own

1251
00:46:30,150 --> 00:46:28,480
experience direct experience

1252
00:46:32,150 --> 00:46:30,160
doesn't just take other people's

1253
00:46:35,109 --> 00:46:32,160
teachings and become the orators for

1254
00:46:37,349 --> 00:46:35,119
their teachings but takes the dive and

1255
00:46:39,270 --> 00:46:37,359
has got brought into the underworld

1256
00:46:41,430 --> 00:46:39,280
goes through the underworld comes back

1257
00:46:43,589 --> 00:46:41,440
up and this is a classic motif

1258
00:46:45,589 --> 00:46:43,599
throughout history then they they become

1259
00:46:47,349 --> 00:46:45,599
the hero and then they usually they go

1260
00:46:49,109 --> 00:46:47,359
back into the village and they share

1261
00:46:51,829 --> 00:46:49,119
what they found this is the shaman's

1262
00:46:54,470 --> 00:46:51,839
journey this is exactly my life

1263
00:46:56,470 --> 00:46:54,480
uh no joke no pretend it's really it and

1264
00:46:58,230 --> 00:46:56,480
this is why i can sit there and i can

1265
00:47:00,470 --> 00:46:58,240
talk about this stuff

1266
00:47:01,670 --> 00:47:00,480
for you know i've done live streams for

1267
00:47:03,270 --> 00:47:01,680
four hours

1268
00:47:05,030 --> 00:47:03,280
i can talk because i'm talking i'm

1269
00:47:06,550 --> 00:47:05,040
talking from it

1270
00:47:07,750 --> 00:47:06,560
i'm not i'm not having to remember

1271
00:47:09,670 --> 00:47:07,760
anything

1272
00:47:10,710 --> 00:47:09,680
you know this is from experience this is

1273
00:47:12,710 --> 00:47:10,720
from

1274
00:47:15,829 --> 00:47:12,720
you know the kundalini experiences alone

1275
00:47:17,750 --> 00:47:15,839
and then having the big one in 2014 um

1276
00:47:19,829 --> 00:47:17,760
you know i've told people i don't my in

1277
00:47:22,150 --> 00:47:19,839
the world isn't a mystery

1278
00:47:24,790 --> 00:47:22,160
there's no mystery to me in here i know

1279
00:47:26,630 --> 00:47:24,800
what i know what's going on i know how

1280
00:47:28,470 --> 00:47:26,640
it moves it's

1281
00:47:30,630 --> 00:47:28,480
sometimes really

1282
00:47:32,549 --> 00:47:30,640
sucks

1283
00:47:34,950 --> 00:47:32,559
but

1284
00:47:36,470 --> 00:47:34,960
that's why i can teach this unique and

1285
00:47:38,390 --> 00:47:36,480
so this is my

1286
00:47:39,829 --> 00:47:38,400
my uh

1287
00:47:42,390 --> 00:47:39,839
one of the things that i would like to

1288
00:47:45,829 --> 00:47:42,400
see one of the intentions of zen temple

1289
00:47:47,510 --> 00:47:45,839
is to really help people to walk uh

1290
00:47:49,829 --> 00:47:47,520
discover their own symbols their own

1291
00:47:51,670 --> 00:47:49,839
totem animals to discover their own

1292
00:47:52,710 --> 00:47:51,680
story well first of all they have to

1293
00:47:55,510 --> 00:47:52,720
really

1294
00:47:58,870 --> 00:47:57,349
re-own

1295
00:48:01,430 --> 00:47:58,880
their story

1296
00:48:03,030 --> 00:48:01,440
and then through this path

1297
00:48:05,109 --> 00:48:03,040
this internal path of really

1298
00:48:06,790 --> 00:48:05,119
self-discovery and going direct with

1299
00:48:10,069 --> 00:48:06,800
their inner world

1300
00:48:12,630 --> 00:48:10,079
is to find their own unique philosophy

1301
00:48:15,589 --> 00:48:12,640
so we're each one of us has a different

1302
00:48:17,829 --> 00:48:15,599
fingerprint right so in a way

1303
00:48:20,950 --> 00:48:17,839
so many of us are saying the same thing

1304
00:48:22,870 --> 00:48:20,960
um but there's more

1305
00:48:25,030 --> 00:48:22,880
let's just say there's more

1306
00:48:27,589 --> 00:48:25,040
like you're looking through a dark glass

1307
00:48:30,710 --> 00:48:27,599
you know there are clear gl lenses and

1308
00:48:32,710 --> 00:48:30,720
there are more darker lenses and so

1309
00:48:34,390 --> 00:48:32,720
the idea is that

1310
00:48:36,950 --> 00:48:34,400
um you know so what i'm trying to say

1311
00:48:37,910 --> 00:48:36,960
some people are talk talking at it from

1312
00:48:40,710 --> 00:48:37,920
a very

1313
00:48:43,109 --> 00:48:40,720
delusional perspective but they're still

1314
00:48:44,790 --> 00:48:43,119
touching on this topic of the inner

1315
00:48:46,390 --> 00:48:44,800
world of the human

1316
00:48:49,990 --> 00:48:46,400
being

1317
00:48:51,109 --> 00:48:50,000
so the big goal of zen temple is that

1318
00:48:54,309 --> 00:48:51,119
these

1319
00:48:55,990 --> 00:48:54,319
students will find their own unique

1320
00:48:59,030 --> 00:48:56,000
philosophy

1321
00:49:00,790 --> 00:48:59,040
still on the same topic but just like

1322
00:49:02,710 --> 00:49:00,800
their thumbprint they're sharing it in

1323
00:49:04,950 --> 00:49:02,720
their own signature

1324
00:49:06,950 --> 00:49:04,960
having really owned it and share it so

1325
00:49:09,349 --> 00:49:06,960
that's the idea is really to duplicate

1326
00:49:11,910 --> 00:49:09,359
myself and that's what any teacher

1327
00:49:14,069 --> 00:49:11,920
uh bonafide teacher will be doing and

1328
00:49:16,549 --> 00:49:14,079
has always been doing

1329
00:49:19,349 --> 00:49:16,559
so you know and then that

1330
00:49:21,589 --> 00:49:19,359
that i came out against the new age like

1331
00:49:23,750 --> 00:49:21,599
i did which i didn't sit around and plan

1332
00:49:26,230 --> 00:49:23,760
uh i didn't plan this at all this is

1333
00:49:28,470 --> 00:49:26,240
also another um

1334
00:49:30,870 --> 00:49:28,480
uh

1335
00:49:33,430 --> 00:49:30,880
signature of a person who's gone into

1336
00:49:35,270 --> 00:49:33,440
the underworld has come back and in many

1337
00:49:39,349 --> 00:49:35,280
in many ways they will come against the

1338
00:49:40,950 --> 00:49:39,359
system in a big way and so

1339
00:49:44,710 --> 00:49:40,960
you know i've just kind of been of

1340
00:49:46,470 --> 00:49:44,720
observer of how my world has unfolded

1341
00:49:48,470 --> 00:49:46,480
that's a long-winded answer awesome you

1342
00:49:50,549 --> 00:49:48,480
know

1343
00:49:53,030 --> 00:49:50,559
you you said that the two

1344
00:49:55,270 --> 00:49:53,040
the two things were focus

1345
00:49:56,790 --> 00:49:55,280
and critical thinking and uh focusing

1346
00:49:59,190 --> 00:49:56,800
just justice

1347
00:50:03,270 --> 00:49:59,200
yeah just this mental focus i've been

1348
00:50:05,750 --> 00:50:03,280
practicing lately is to just you know

1349
00:50:07,910 --> 00:50:05,760
i have these big projects going on and i

1350
00:50:09,910 --> 00:50:07,920
have to take that time and mentally

1351
00:50:13,270 --> 00:50:09,920
focus myself

1352
00:50:15,589 --> 00:50:13,280
on the given task i'm a little add so

1353
00:50:18,150 --> 00:50:15,599
i i see the same thing about focus well

1354
00:50:20,710 --> 00:50:18,160
i'm talking about focusing the focusing

1355
00:50:24,470 --> 00:50:21,829
oh okay

1356
00:50:27,349 --> 00:50:24,480
now focusing much more to it than my uh

1357
00:50:30,230 --> 00:50:27,359
well no one's easy no no no no no no

1358
00:50:32,549 --> 00:50:30,240
your thing is is very is very valid and

1359
00:50:34,790 --> 00:50:32,559
it's important it's the it's the small

1360
00:50:36,630 --> 00:50:34,800
simple things that are the big things

1361
00:50:39,190 --> 00:50:36,640
and that's not typically you know it's

1362
00:50:43,829 --> 00:50:39,200
like uh what is it inferno gully it says

1363
00:50:45,430 --> 00:50:43,839
uh in a single tiny seed all of creation

1364
00:50:46,790 --> 00:50:45,440
exists

1365
00:50:49,190 --> 00:50:46,800
uh okay

1366
00:50:51,910 --> 00:50:49,200
the focus thing is you're talking about

1367
00:50:55,030 --> 00:50:51,920
is how i would as part of how i'm

1368
00:50:56,390 --> 00:50:55,040
teaching uh the thinking process which

1369
00:50:57,990 --> 00:50:56,400
right now i'm calling it clarity

1370
00:51:00,150 --> 00:50:58,000
thinking we'll see how this evolves in

1371
00:51:02,069 --> 00:51:00,160
zen temple but there's different parts

1372
00:51:04,069 --> 00:51:02,079
of that that are very simple because if

1373
00:51:08,150 --> 00:51:04,079
i get into critical thinking critical

1374
00:51:10,549 --> 00:51:08,160
thinking has so many like you know just

1375
00:51:12,710 --> 00:51:10,559
different terms for like you know that's

1376
00:51:14,470 --> 00:51:12,720
an ad hominem attack you know and you

1377
00:51:16,069 --> 00:51:14,480
know that's an appeal to authority not

1378
00:51:17,349 --> 00:51:16,079
so i don't want to get people bogged

1379
00:51:20,549 --> 00:51:17,359
down to that so i'm going to teach this

1380
00:51:23,190 --> 00:51:20,559
basic thing in that the focusing method

1381
00:51:26,069 --> 00:51:23,200
focusing.org

1382
00:51:27,910 --> 00:51:26,079
this is a process of listening to the

1383
00:51:30,309 --> 00:51:27,920
your your body

1384
00:51:32,630 --> 00:51:30,319
listening to the everything that occurs

1385
00:51:34,950 --> 00:51:32,640
in and around you

1386
00:51:36,230 --> 00:51:34,960
uh this is your or the organism is what

1387
00:51:39,030 --> 00:51:36,240
creates everything people call

1388
00:51:41,190 --> 00:51:39,040
spirituality everything there is nothing

1389
00:51:42,950 --> 00:51:41,200
that isn't created by

1390
00:51:45,030 --> 00:51:42,960
by the organism

1391
00:51:46,790 --> 00:51:45,040
all religious experience

1392
00:51:49,829 --> 00:51:46,800
all spiritual experience

1393
00:51:51,510 --> 00:51:49,839
all shamanic experiences are all made by

1394
00:51:53,750 --> 00:51:51,520
the organism and its relationship to

1395
00:51:57,829 --> 00:51:53,760
nature period

1396
00:52:00,390 --> 00:51:57,839
so focusing is learning how to listen

1397
00:52:03,109 --> 00:52:00,400
because the body always knows

1398
00:52:05,109 --> 00:52:03,119
period and then critical thinking and

1399
00:52:06,069 --> 00:52:05,119
well i'm kind of calling it clarity

1400
00:52:09,349 --> 00:52:06,079
thinking

1401
00:52:13,030 --> 00:52:09,359
so i just wanted to clear that up so you

1402
00:52:17,109 --> 00:52:15,510
yeah and i guess i guess i

1403
00:52:19,990 --> 00:52:17,119
i definitely

1404
00:52:21,430 --> 00:52:20,000
appreciate that besides you know

1405
00:52:23,829 --> 00:52:21,440
teaching people

1406
00:52:26,549 --> 00:52:23,839
those things that you find important to

1407
00:52:28,069 --> 00:52:26,559
teach them you're also able and willing

1408
00:52:30,549 --> 00:52:28,079
to do all this

1409
00:52:33,750 --> 00:52:30,559
sort of investigation into

1410
00:52:35,670 --> 00:52:33,760
other people that are not so scrupulous

1411
00:52:38,309 --> 00:52:35,680
yeah like i said i didn't plan it it

1412
00:52:40,069 --> 00:52:38,319
just happened and you know it just

1413
00:52:42,069 --> 00:52:40,079
how i'm wired

1414
00:52:44,230 --> 00:52:42,079
to do it and don't you find it hard to

1415
00:52:46,390 --> 00:52:44,240
balance that though it's like trying to

1416
00:52:48,470 --> 00:52:46,400
win a war on two fronts well

1417
00:52:50,710 --> 00:52:48,480
i think that it's been weird for people

1418
00:52:52,950 --> 00:52:50,720
that have come across my work like what

1419
00:52:53,910 --> 00:52:52,960
the hell are you doing um it makes sense

1420
00:52:56,150 --> 00:52:53,920
to me

1421
00:52:57,670 --> 00:52:56,160
because i always had that side of

1422
00:52:59,430 --> 00:52:57,680
wanting to teach

1423
00:53:03,510 --> 00:52:59,440
you know this

1424
00:53:05,750 --> 00:53:03,520
was going to teach something

1425
00:53:07,030 --> 00:53:05,760
but as this project developed it was

1426
00:53:09,109 --> 00:53:07,040
always

1427
00:53:10,790 --> 00:53:09,119
clear to me that i wanted to be able to

1428
00:53:11,750 --> 00:53:10,800
provide

1429
00:53:14,230 --> 00:53:11,760
uh

1430
00:53:16,390 --> 00:53:14,240
well just reflecting my own experience

1431
00:53:17,430 --> 00:53:16,400
which was that i had a human awakening

1432
00:53:19,910 --> 00:53:17,440
and that

1433
00:53:21,349 --> 00:53:19,920
this is all natural so to be able to

1434
00:53:23,990 --> 00:53:21,359
share

1435
00:53:25,829 --> 00:53:24,000
this natural path i find it is it is the

1436
00:53:27,430 --> 00:53:25,839
other side of the coin of unspirituality

1437
00:53:29,190 --> 00:53:27,440
first you gotta break the trance then

1438
00:53:31,190 --> 00:53:29,200
you got to provide a path

1439
00:53:32,470 --> 00:53:31,200
so there they're

1440
00:53:34,309 --> 00:53:32,480
they're dual

1441
00:53:35,910 --> 00:53:34,319
two sides of the coin two sides of the

1442
00:53:36,630 --> 00:53:35,920
you know sword whatever you want to call

1443
00:53:39,270 --> 00:53:36,640
it

1444
00:53:41,270 --> 00:53:39,280
um so you got to break the trance and

1445
00:53:44,150 --> 00:53:41,280
then provide a place for them to go

1446
00:53:46,390 --> 00:53:44,160
which is the only place that ever was

1447
00:53:48,390 --> 00:53:46,400
you know the stuff that i teach people i

1448
00:53:50,870 --> 00:53:48,400
mean in so many ways it's reminding them

1449
00:53:53,190 --> 00:53:50,880
of stuff that's become buried or that

1450
00:53:55,589 --> 00:53:53,200
they were getting hints of because your

1451
00:53:56,870 --> 00:53:55,599
body knows this

1452
00:53:58,309 --> 00:53:56,880
so

1453
00:53:59,990 --> 00:53:58,319
come in

1454
00:54:01,510 --> 00:54:00,000
you know

1455
00:54:02,790 --> 00:54:01,520
make the punch

1456
00:54:04,630 --> 00:54:02,800
crack the

1457
00:54:07,109 --> 00:54:04,640
thing and then

1458
00:54:10,390 --> 00:54:07,119
you know give him uh say this is what's

1459
00:54:11,430 --> 00:54:10,400
really going on and give him a place to

1460
00:54:12,710 --> 00:54:11,440
you know

1461
00:54:14,069 --> 00:54:12,720
i mean when i

1462
00:54:15,270 --> 00:54:14,079
i have a thing

1463
00:54:17,910 --> 00:54:15,280
where people can

1464
00:54:20,069 --> 00:54:17,920
you know book sessions with me

1465
00:54:21,109 --> 00:54:20,079
and uh you know then spirituality.com

1466
00:54:24,630 --> 00:54:21,119
there's

1467
00:54:26,390 --> 00:54:24,640
a book a session a skype session

1468
00:54:28,150 --> 00:54:26,400
with zen

1469
00:54:29,829 --> 00:54:28,160
and i'm just listening

1470
00:54:30,950 --> 00:54:29,839
to them

1471
00:54:32,710 --> 00:54:30,960
and

1472
00:54:34,470 --> 00:54:32,720
basically pointing them to listen to

1473
00:54:36,309 --> 00:54:34,480
themselves

1474
00:54:39,589 --> 00:54:36,319
that's it

1475
00:54:40,950 --> 00:54:39,599
and that's the process very simple

1476
00:54:43,030 --> 00:54:40,960
but when you have people that sit with

1477
00:54:44,950 --> 00:54:43,040
other people in that sort of setting and

1478
00:54:46,549 --> 00:54:44,960
all they do is talk talk talk talk talk

1479
00:54:49,270 --> 00:54:46,559
to them

1480
00:54:50,390 --> 00:54:49,280
you know it's

1481
00:54:54,069 --> 00:54:50,400
you know

1482
00:54:55,990 --> 00:54:54,079
in therapy um

1483
00:54:58,870 --> 00:54:56,000
the person who started this focusing is

1484
00:55:00,630 --> 00:54:58,880
uh eugene genlin he's passed away

1485
00:55:03,510 --> 00:55:00,640
uh i think it was a couple years ago he

1486
00:55:05,109 --> 00:55:03,520
actually gave me permission to put

1487
00:55:09,589 --> 00:55:05,119
some of his work in the last chapter my

1488
00:55:10,950 --> 00:55:09,599
first book but in the uh 1960s

1489
00:55:13,910 --> 00:55:10,960
he uh

1490
00:55:16,549 --> 00:55:13,920
wanted to find out why some people

1491
00:55:18,470 --> 00:55:16,559
uh why certain people got well in

1492
00:55:20,309 --> 00:55:18,480
therapy and why others didn't

1493
00:55:21,990 --> 00:55:20,319
you know why do people spend 10 15 years

1494
00:55:23,510 --> 00:55:22,000
in therapy never get better

1495
00:55:24,630 --> 00:55:23,520
and then others who spent like good

1496
00:55:26,549 --> 00:55:24,640
questions yeah they spent like two or

1497
00:55:28,470 --> 00:55:26,559
three months or

1498
00:55:30,069 --> 00:55:28,480
two or three weeks and they got better

1499
00:55:31,270 --> 00:55:30,079
and what he discovered

1500
00:55:33,109 --> 00:55:31,280
is when

1501
00:55:35,750 --> 00:55:33,119
in talk therapy

1502
00:55:37,589 --> 00:55:35,760
people weren't listening to what came up

1503
00:55:40,150 --> 00:55:37,599
in their body

1504
00:55:42,069 --> 00:55:40,160
so it'd be like

1505
00:55:44,230 --> 00:55:42,079
you know say a person is talking all

1506
00:55:45,430 --> 00:55:44,240
sudden they feel this comes up to want

1507
00:55:47,349 --> 00:55:45,440
to cry

1508
00:55:48,950 --> 00:55:47,359
or it comes up to want to laugh or just

1509
00:55:50,950 --> 00:55:48,960
something comes up

1510
00:55:52,230 --> 00:55:50,960
so they're not directed to listen to

1511
00:55:53,750 --> 00:55:52,240
that

1512
00:55:55,910 --> 00:55:53,760
they're just directed to keep talking

1513
00:55:57,670 --> 00:55:55,920
this stuff out

1514
00:55:59,510 --> 00:55:57,680
and so this

1515
00:56:01,430 --> 00:55:59,520
you know then he just developed this

1516
00:56:03,910 --> 00:56:01,440
whole thing called focusing which is

1517
00:56:05,990 --> 00:56:03,920
focusing on what your body is telling

1518
00:56:07,589 --> 00:56:06,000
you and your body is always

1519
00:56:09,270 --> 00:56:07,599
communicating

1520
00:56:12,950 --> 00:56:09,280
and so the better you get at this you

1521
00:56:15,030 --> 00:56:12,960
better you uh you listen to the current

1522
00:56:17,910 --> 00:56:15,040
of what's arising

1523
00:56:19,510 --> 00:56:17,920
every moment and uh this is what

1524
00:56:21,990 --> 00:56:19,520
spiritual people call

1525
00:56:24,710 --> 00:56:22,000
you know the guidance guidance from the

1526
00:56:26,470 --> 00:56:24,720
aliens or from the spirit or

1527
00:56:28,069 --> 00:56:26,480
you know from the higher self or

1528
00:56:31,270 --> 00:56:28,079
whatever this is just the dis

1529
00:56:33,270 --> 00:56:31,280
dissociated language that is used when

1530
00:56:35,430 --> 00:56:33,280
it really is

1531
00:56:38,309 --> 00:56:35,440
um this

1532
00:56:41,670 --> 00:56:38,319
incredible inner world that we have

1533
00:56:44,470 --> 00:56:43,270
you know one question i wanted to ask

1534
00:56:46,069 --> 00:56:44,480
you because

1535
00:56:47,910 --> 00:56:46,079
i have been listening to a lot of your

1536
00:56:49,589 --> 00:56:47,920
work

1537
00:56:53,109 --> 00:56:49,599
how do you feel about

1538
00:56:55,430 --> 00:56:53,119
uh hallucinogens and dmt and things like

1539
00:56:57,270 --> 00:56:55,440
that in relation to some kind of

1540
00:57:00,150 --> 00:56:57,280
spiritual uh

1541
00:57:02,710 --> 00:57:00,160
use i think they're fun

1542
00:57:05,510 --> 00:57:02,720
you know uh didn't have a good time

1543
00:57:07,589 --> 00:57:05,520
shamans you know use them for trips and

1544
00:57:10,309 --> 00:57:07,599
so do you know native americans use

1545
00:57:13,270 --> 00:57:10,319
peyote for vision quests so i think when

1546
00:57:15,190 --> 00:57:13,280
you're doing it for a quest

1547
00:57:17,349 --> 00:57:15,200
uh you can there's a lot of i mean i

1548
00:57:18,789 --> 00:57:17,359
used to take mushrooms every i i you

1549
00:57:21,270 --> 00:57:18,799
know i did i used it the same way i'd

1550
00:57:23,430 --> 00:57:21,280
only take mushrooms every so many years

1551
00:57:24,549 --> 00:57:23,440
you know maybe every five years four

1552
00:57:27,670 --> 00:57:24,559
years

1553
00:57:29,750 --> 00:57:27,680
and uh i learned a lot uh

1554
00:57:31,030 --> 00:57:29,760
and there are

1555
00:57:32,630 --> 00:57:31,040
things inside of you that can

1556
00:57:34,470 --> 00:57:32,640
communicate to you in ways that you

1557
00:57:36,789 --> 00:57:34,480
would like

1558
00:57:38,390 --> 00:57:36,799
never know like wow

1559
00:57:40,549 --> 00:57:38,400
you know it's it's

1560
00:57:42,710 --> 00:57:40,559
a kind of information that is so

1561
00:57:44,630 --> 00:57:42,720
advanced in

1562
00:57:47,829 --> 00:57:44,640
uh inside

1563
00:57:49,109 --> 00:57:47,839
so i think that these are

1564
00:57:50,549 --> 00:57:49,119
sacred

1565
00:57:53,030 --> 00:57:50,559
journeys

1566
00:57:54,470 --> 00:57:53,040
now if somebody's doing it like leo gura

1567
00:57:56,390 --> 00:57:54,480
doing it like something like a like

1568
00:57:58,309 --> 00:57:56,400
drinking beer

1569
00:58:00,710 --> 00:57:58,319
then what you've done

1570
00:58:04,069 --> 00:58:00,720
is you've become that has become your

1571
00:58:06,390 --> 00:58:04,079
enlightenment and you haven't integrated

1572
00:58:08,870 --> 00:58:06,400
and found your

1573
00:58:11,910 --> 00:58:08,880
you know found your life your real life

1574
00:58:14,870 --> 00:58:11,920
in the everyday this is your life

1575
00:58:18,630 --> 00:58:14,880
your inner world is is right here

1576
00:58:21,190 --> 00:58:18,640
um you take a journey you come back

1577
00:58:23,829 --> 00:58:21,200
um because if you stay there

1578
00:58:24,789 --> 00:58:23,839
then you're in you stay in this world

1579
00:58:28,390 --> 00:58:24,799
that is

1580
00:58:31,030 --> 00:58:28,400
uh it's induced by chemicals

1581
00:58:32,789 --> 00:58:31,040
and it's not meant for you to stay there

1582
00:58:35,109 --> 00:58:32,799
you can't function here you end up in a

1583
00:58:37,270 --> 00:58:35,119
crazy house

1584
00:58:39,030 --> 00:58:37,280
this is really just an experience like a

1585
00:58:41,349 --> 00:58:39,040
vision quest or something

1586
00:58:43,109 --> 00:58:41,359
uh ultimately like my kundalini

1587
00:58:45,190 --> 00:58:43,119
experiences never had anything to do

1588
00:58:46,390 --> 00:58:45,200
with drugs at all

1589
00:58:48,950 --> 00:58:46,400
uh and i can tell you you have a

1590
00:58:51,829 --> 00:58:48,960
kundalini experience and

1591
00:58:53,510 --> 00:58:51,839
it's a natural powerful

1592
00:58:55,030 --> 00:58:53,520
magnetic

1593
00:58:56,870 --> 00:58:55,040
amazing

1594
00:58:58,390 --> 00:58:56,880
terrifying

1595
00:59:00,870 --> 00:58:58,400
you know force

1596
00:59:05,589 --> 00:59:00,880
that's within you that gets released

1597
00:59:06,630 --> 00:59:05,599
um and you know you can see this uh um

1598
00:59:08,549 --> 00:59:06,640
let's say

1599
00:59:10,789 --> 00:59:08,559
uh

1600
00:59:12,230 --> 00:59:10,799
bearing this current you can see the

1601
00:59:14,230 --> 00:59:12,240
egyptians

1602
00:59:16,950 --> 00:59:14,240
uh you know you see them sitting there

1603
00:59:20,390 --> 00:59:16,960
with their spines perfectly straight

1604
00:59:22,950 --> 00:59:20,400
and in many cultures this serpent energy

1605
00:59:24,710 --> 00:59:22,960
so ultimately you're taking the dive in

1606
00:59:26,390 --> 00:59:24,720
your own inner world that's that's the

1607
00:59:29,589 --> 00:59:26,400
real stuff

1608
00:59:30,630 --> 00:59:29,599
uh but you may want to go on a journey

1609
00:59:32,150 --> 00:59:30,640
like this

1610
00:59:34,390 --> 00:59:32,160
because you want to open the doors to

1611
00:59:37,510 --> 00:59:34,400
get some answers that will bring that

1612
00:59:38,950 --> 00:59:37,520
you bring back into your life i i hope

1613
00:59:41,589 --> 00:59:38,960
that makes sense

1614
00:59:44,069 --> 00:59:41,599
yeah it does absolutely well then now's

1615
00:59:46,470 --> 00:59:44,079
a good time for us to take a break for

1616
00:59:49,349 --> 00:59:46,480
station identification and a few words

1617
00:59:54,280 --> 00:59:49,359
from our sponsors we'll be right back

1618
01:00:07,109 --> 01:00:04,870
[Music]

1619
01:00:08,789 --> 01:00:07,119
people have asked me and i i

1620
01:00:10,470 --> 01:00:08,799
kind of agree with you 100

1621
01:00:12,630 --> 01:00:10,480
the only thing that i would say is that

1622
01:00:15,270 --> 01:00:12,640
i don't think they should ever be used

1623
01:00:17,510 --> 01:00:15,280
just for recreational use and i even

1624
01:00:18,630 --> 01:00:17,520
include something like marijuana with

1625
01:00:20,390 --> 01:00:18,640
that

1626
01:00:23,109 --> 01:00:20,400
my personal belief is like if you're

1627
01:00:24,789 --> 01:00:23,119
gonna do that do something with it you

1628
01:00:25,670 --> 01:00:24,799
know even if you're gonna even if you're

1629
01:00:26,710 --> 01:00:25,680
gonna

1630
01:00:30,150 --> 01:00:26,720
have

1631
01:00:31,750 --> 01:00:30,160
pot like i'm fine with people like

1632
01:00:34,789 --> 01:00:31,760
who will smoke pot and do something

1633
01:00:36,950 --> 01:00:34,799
creative or artistic or but if you just

1634
01:00:38,870 --> 01:00:36,960
smoke pot and sit on the couch i think

1635
01:00:42,390 --> 01:00:38,880
that's a waste of

1636
01:00:43,990 --> 01:00:42,400
what is maybe a sacred uh plant and i

1637
01:00:46,870 --> 01:00:44,000
feel the same way about the more

1638
01:00:47,910 --> 01:00:46,880
powerful stuff especially

1639
01:00:49,750 --> 01:00:47,920
well

1640
01:00:52,230 --> 01:00:49,760
i okay

1641
01:00:54,390 --> 01:00:52,240
here's the thing

1642
01:01:15,670 --> 01:00:54,400
i

1643
01:01:17,990 --> 01:01:15,680
you know you you respect you have a

1644
01:01:20,630 --> 01:01:18,000
respect you have a prayer

1645
01:01:22,710 --> 01:01:20,640
uh you do this process maybe you you

1646
01:01:23,589 --> 01:01:22,720
know whatever and then you take it you

1647
01:01:25,270 --> 01:01:23,599
know

1648
01:01:27,030 --> 01:01:25,280
but

1649
01:01:29,750 --> 01:01:27,040
i'm gonna be the first one to say that

1650
01:01:31,670 --> 01:01:29,760
sitting on your ass smoking pot is also

1651
01:01:33,670 --> 01:01:31,680
an incredible experience

1652
01:01:35,750 --> 01:01:33,680
because it's gonna

1653
01:01:37,670 --> 01:01:35,760
it's gonna teach you a lot

1654
01:01:38,390 --> 01:01:37,680
you know like if somebody was sitting on

1655
01:01:40,390 --> 01:01:38,400
you know

1656
01:01:41,349 --> 01:01:40,400
their ass smoking pot every day right

1657
01:01:42,870 --> 01:01:41,359
and they go

1658
01:01:45,349 --> 01:01:42,880
hey zan

1659
01:01:47,750 --> 01:01:45,359
you know i really wanna

1660
01:01:49,829 --> 01:01:47,760
i really wanna like be on that path and

1661
01:01:51,829 --> 01:01:49,839
i wanna you know and i'd say well you

1662
01:01:53,190 --> 01:01:51,839
are on that path you can never not be on

1663
01:01:55,270 --> 01:01:53,200
that path

1664
01:01:58,069 --> 01:01:55,280
yeah yeah but i know i'm just sitting

1665
01:02:00,549 --> 01:01:58,079
here playing video games and watching

1666
01:02:02,309 --> 01:02:00,559
you know smoking grass and stuff and

1667
01:02:05,190 --> 01:02:02,319
like what should i do

1668
01:02:07,670 --> 01:02:05,200
my answer would be well keep doing it

1669
01:02:09,750 --> 01:02:07,680
once you get right in it like get deeper

1670
01:02:12,710 --> 01:02:09,760
into it just really smoke that pot in

1671
01:02:14,630 --> 01:02:12,720
fact how many hours are you doing today

1672
01:02:16,390 --> 01:02:14,640
eight all right all right push it up to

1673
01:02:18,630 --> 01:02:16,400
15 if you can

1674
01:02:20,309 --> 01:02:18,640
and commit to it

1675
01:02:21,990 --> 01:02:20,319
and then i would say write write a book

1676
01:02:24,710 --> 01:02:22,000
about it

1677
01:02:27,270 --> 01:02:24,720
on how good you were at doing this

1678
01:02:32,390 --> 01:02:27,280
so this is a

1679
01:02:34,390 --> 01:02:32,400
um you know a lot of things is an

1680
01:02:36,390 --> 01:02:34,400
immersion and indulgence

1681
01:02:38,309 --> 01:02:36,400
which is not

1682
01:02:39,670 --> 01:02:38,319
the way

1683
01:02:41,670 --> 01:02:39,680
many people

1684
01:02:44,870 --> 01:02:41,680
if not most

1685
01:02:47,270 --> 01:02:44,880
uh teachers would because it's not

1686
01:02:49,270 --> 01:02:47,280
very marketable

1687
01:02:51,029 --> 01:02:49,280
you know so

1688
01:02:52,789 --> 01:02:51,039
that's them but i know what how i got

1689
01:02:54,789 --> 01:02:52,799
results so i teach it

1690
01:02:57,750 --> 01:02:54,799
you know

1691
01:03:00,150 --> 01:02:59,430
well then i i guess

1692
01:03:05,510 --> 01:03:00,160
i

1693
01:03:08,069 --> 01:03:05,520
about alcohol because

1694
01:03:09,750 --> 01:03:08,079
you know like i was for a long time

1695
01:03:12,309 --> 01:03:09,760
drinking beer or something like that

1696
01:03:14,390 --> 01:03:12,319
every day and then i just cut it out

1697
01:03:15,829 --> 01:03:14,400
completely and then i went back to like

1698
01:03:16,789 --> 01:03:15,839
a couple times a week i'll have a few

1699
01:03:18,150 --> 01:03:16,799
drinks

1700
01:03:19,750 --> 01:03:18,160
because to me

1701
01:03:22,870 --> 01:03:19,760
it was just it felt like total

1702
01:03:26,069 --> 01:03:22,880
abstinence was a form of suffering

1703
01:03:27,750 --> 01:03:26,079
so i kind of went the middle road but

1704
01:03:29,670 --> 01:03:27,760
what do you think about alcoholism and

1705
01:03:31,750 --> 01:03:29,680
people that have problems with alcohol

1706
01:03:33,750 --> 01:03:31,760
how that should be handled

1707
01:03:36,710 --> 01:03:33,760
well you know i drank like a fish for a

1708
01:03:39,270 --> 01:03:36,720
long time you know i had uh you know i

1709
01:03:41,510 --> 01:03:39,280
dealt with that myself a very long time

1710
01:03:42,710 --> 01:03:41,520
it took me many many years to quit

1711
01:03:45,750 --> 01:03:42,720
um

1712
01:03:47,029 --> 01:03:45,760
so how i quit i decided

1713
01:03:49,270 --> 01:03:47,039
that

1714
01:03:50,470 --> 01:03:49,280
because alcohol became my fix for

1715
01:03:53,109 --> 01:03:50,480
bipolar

1716
01:03:55,589 --> 01:03:53,119
and for my child abuse early on you know

1717
01:03:59,349 --> 01:03:55,599
and around the age of 12 13

1718
01:04:00,230 --> 01:03:59,359
and uh so it was a part of my life

1719
01:04:02,390 --> 01:04:00,240
um

1720
01:04:04,789 --> 01:04:02,400
and uh

1721
01:04:07,190 --> 01:04:04,799
so but it got to a point for me where it

1722
01:04:09,750 --> 01:04:07,200
was like you know it just got more

1723
01:04:12,470 --> 01:04:09,760
difficult you know as i got older i

1724
01:04:14,390 --> 01:04:12,480
hated the hangovers and i started

1725
01:04:15,910 --> 01:04:14,400
noticing you know i started learning

1726
01:04:18,390 --> 01:04:15,920
more about

1727
01:04:22,069 --> 01:04:18,400
how my behavior was when i would drink

1728
01:04:23,670 --> 01:04:22,079
so it's a really built-in system for

1729
01:04:27,430 --> 01:04:23,680
being able to

1730
01:04:29,589 --> 01:04:27,440
you just get worse is the point and so

1731
01:04:30,549 --> 01:04:29,599
uh what i did is i decided that i wanted

1732
01:04:32,710 --> 01:04:30,559
to quit

1733
01:04:36,710 --> 01:04:32,720
without any like aaa or anything i

1734
01:04:41,990 --> 01:04:38,710
that's my intent was my intention i want

1735
01:04:45,670 --> 01:04:42,000
to quit because i want to quit

1736
01:04:47,990 --> 01:04:45,680
it took me about 10 years

1737
01:04:50,390 --> 01:04:48,000
and yeah it took me a long time because

1738
01:04:52,549 --> 01:04:50,400
that's the way i wanted to do it um

1739
01:04:54,549 --> 01:04:52,559
but i would say it's strong i really got

1740
01:04:56,789 --> 01:04:54,559
into it for a strong

1741
01:04:58,710 --> 01:04:56,799
about six seven years i really started

1742
01:04:59,990 --> 01:04:58,720
kicking when i got to five years i

1743
01:05:00,950 --> 01:05:00,000
really started kicking so what i would

1744
01:05:01,750 --> 01:05:00,960
do

1745
01:05:04,069 --> 01:05:01,760
is

1746
01:05:06,710 --> 01:05:04,079
because i enjoyed it man i mean it was

1747
01:05:09,510 --> 01:05:06,720
in my blood and i could drink you know

1748
01:05:11,990 --> 01:05:09,520
and uh yeah i hear that and i'm half

1749
01:05:13,430 --> 01:05:12,000
irish so okay yeah and i could drink and

1750
01:05:15,109 --> 01:05:13,440
i was one of those where you know you

1751
01:05:17,829 --> 01:05:15,119
may not even know i was that drunk and

1752
01:05:19,510 --> 01:05:17,839
i'd put down a lot already you know

1753
01:05:21,589 --> 01:05:19,520
and but then i really liked getting

1754
01:05:23,589 --> 01:05:21,599
inebriated so you know just like a

1755
01:05:24,870 --> 01:05:23,599
freaking sailor you know as a wine women

1756
01:05:25,910 --> 01:05:24,880
in song

1757
01:05:27,270 --> 01:05:25,920
uh

1758
01:05:28,870 --> 01:05:27,280
but

1759
01:05:31,430 --> 01:05:28,880
you know you know the hangovers are

1760
01:05:33,430 --> 01:05:31,440
horrible and look it if it's not fun

1761
01:05:35,349 --> 01:05:33,440
anymore that was my point look this

1762
01:05:38,549 --> 01:05:35,359
isn't becoming fun and that was the

1763
01:05:40,789 --> 01:05:38,559
whole point so i am i tried everything i

1764
01:05:42,630 --> 01:05:40,799
went on the mission i go look i'm gonna

1765
01:05:44,470 --> 01:05:42,640
of course i'm still drinking

1766
01:05:45,990 --> 01:05:44,480
but i'm gonna go on the mission of doing

1767
01:05:48,870 --> 01:05:46,000
everything i can so i would actually

1768
01:05:51,270 --> 01:05:48,880
drink and watch youtube videos of how

1769
01:05:54,150 --> 01:05:51,280
bad alcohol is for you

1770
01:05:55,910 --> 01:05:54,160
uh you know i would i just started

1771
01:05:57,589 --> 01:05:55,920
feeding myself yeah i just drink and

1772
01:05:59,589 --> 01:05:57,599
watch that i drink and

1773
01:06:01,190 --> 01:05:59,599
and so i started

1774
01:06:01,990 --> 01:06:01,200
educating myself

1775
01:06:04,390 --> 01:06:02,000
and

1776
01:06:06,230 --> 01:06:04,400
then there was a thing called naltrexone

1777
01:06:07,670 --> 01:06:06,240
which is a medication that you can take

1778
01:06:09,029 --> 01:06:07,680
and then meat and you actually you're

1779
01:06:10,789 --> 01:06:09,039
supposed to take it and you're supposed

1780
01:06:12,870 --> 01:06:10,799
to drink when you take it

1781
01:06:14,470 --> 01:06:12,880
and what happens is it blocks the neural

1782
01:06:16,950 --> 01:06:14,480
receptors

1783
01:06:18,870 --> 01:06:16,960
in your brain that may as you drink you

1784
01:06:20,309 --> 01:06:18,880
just hate the taste

1785
01:06:21,910 --> 01:06:20,319
so anybody's having a problem with that

1786
01:06:23,029 --> 01:06:21,920
i always tell them you can interrupt it

1787
01:06:25,510 --> 01:06:23,039
like that

1788
01:06:27,670 --> 01:06:25,520
and forget going to aaa and and

1789
01:06:30,950 --> 01:06:27,680
committing to a lifetime of i'm an

1790
01:06:32,870 --> 01:06:30,960
alcoholic and i'm forever doomed

1791
01:06:35,910 --> 01:06:32,880
because the truth of it is

1792
01:06:38,309 --> 01:06:35,920
is ethanol is highly addictive

1793
01:06:40,390 --> 01:06:38,319
that's the problem

1794
01:06:43,270 --> 01:06:40,400
it's not you that's bad

1795
01:06:45,029 --> 01:06:43,280
you that's faulty you that's defective

1796
01:06:46,630 --> 01:06:45,039
i mean sure you can see you can look at

1797
01:06:48,309 --> 01:06:46,640
yeah it was in my family

1798
01:06:49,910 --> 01:06:48,319
uh there's genetic aspects to this you

1799
01:06:51,670 --> 01:06:49,920
can look at but the big i think the

1800
01:06:53,109 --> 01:06:51,680
bigger aspect is a lot of these genes

1801
01:06:55,750 --> 01:06:53,119
stay dormant

1802
01:06:57,589 --> 01:06:55,760
unless they're activated and so there's

1803
01:06:59,430 --> 01:06:57,599
also the nature of nurture so there's a

1804
01:07:01,750 --> 01:06:59,440
nature aspect of this if you're raised

1805
01:07:04,470 --> 01:07:01,760
in a you know family that

1806
01:07:07,750 --> 01:07:04,480
drinks a lot influenced so

1807
01:07:09,750 --> 01:07:07,760
but still the point is you

1808
01:07:11,029 --> 01:07:09,760
are not

1809
01:07:14,549 --> 01:07:11,039
you know

1810
01:07:16,789 --> 01:07:14,559
calling you an alcoholic i think is

1811
01:07:19,109 --> 01:07:16,799
a bit of a misnomer because what's

1812
01:07:19,990 --> 01:07:19,119
really happened is you

1813
01:07:24,789 --> 01:07:20,000
have

1814
01:07:25,589 --> 01:07:24,799
become

1815
01:07:30,870 --> 01:07:25,599
uh

1816
01:07:32,870 --> 01:07:30,880
in other words you cannot you cannot

1817
01:07:34,870 --> 01:07:32,880
take crack cocaine cane

1818
01:07:36,630 --> 01:07:34,880
without suffering horribly from the

1819
01:07:38,950 --> 01:07:36,640
withdrawal

1820
01:07:41,910 --> 01:07:38,960
so it doesn't make you a bad person it's

1821
01:07:42,870 --> 01:07:41,920
just that if you are going to take that

1822
01:07:45,270 --> 01:07:42,880
drug

1823
01:07:46,950 --> 01:07:45,280
your system can't is going to go through

1824
01:07:49,829 --> 01:07:46,960
a massive withdrawal

1825
01:07:51,750 --> 01:07:49,839
so if you are not smart about this

1826
01:07:54,309 --> 01:07:51,760
every time you drink

1827
01:07:55,829 --> 01:07:54,319
you're going to have a major withdrawal

1828
01:07:57,990 --> 01:07:55,839
which means that you have to drink again

1829
01:07:59,589 --> 01:07:58,000
to fix that withdrawal so if you're not

1830
01:08:02,309 --> 01:07:59,599
smart enough you don't make yourself

1831
01:08:04,470 --> 01:08:02,319
intelligent enough about this

1832
01:08:07,589 --> 01:08:04,480
you will make a stupid decision

1833
01:08:08,710 --> 01:08:07,599
knowing full well what's going to happen

1834
01:08:11,029 --> 01:08:08,720
and so

1835
01:08:13,990 --> 01:08:11,039
for me that's how i wanted to approach

1836
01:08:16,070 --> 01:08:14,000
it was to become very very aware of it

1837
01:08:19,430 --> 01:08:16,080
make it a study so what i did is i made

1838
01:08:21,749 --> 01:08:19,440
my my my drinking habit

1839
01:08:24,870 --> 01:08:21,759
a one of the number one

1840
01:08:26,950 --> 01:08:24,880
projects in my spiritual path

1841
01:08:28,789 --> 01:08:26,960
so i saw it as leverage

1842
01:08:31,430 --> 01:08:28,799
for awakening

1843
01:08:33,829 --> 01:08:31,440
so it was a really a sacred thing so i

1844
01:08:35,669 --> 01:08:33,839
got to a point where i started quitting

1845
01:08:37,349 --> 01:08:35,679
for like a year at a time

1846
01:08:39,189 --> 01:08:37,359
i would just quit like a couple times i

1847
01:08:40,789 --> 01:08:39,199
took naltrexone but

1848
01:08:42,309 --> 01:08:40,799
i i wouldn't i wouldn't i only did it

1849
01:08:44,709 --> 01:08:42,319
like a couple times but i got two points

1850
01:08:46,870 --> 01:08:44,719
from like okay i'm not gonna drink

1851
01:08:48,870 --> 01:08:46,880
and i would not drink for like a year

1852
01:08:50,149 --> 01:08:48,880
sometimes maybe six months

1853
01:08:51,669 --> 01:08:50,159
and then i would say okay i'm gonna

1854
01:08:53,669 --> 01:08:51,679
drink and then i would drink maybe once

1855
01:08:54,709 --> 01:08:53,679
a week or once every month or something

1856
01:08:57,269 --> 01:08:54,719
like that

1857
01:08:58,870 --> 01:08:57,279
and when i drank i sat down and drank

1858
01:09:00,630 --> 01:08:58,880
like you know i'm gonna knock down two

1859
01:09:03,669 --> 01:09:00,640
bottles of wine and

1860
01:09:05,110 --> 01:09:03,679
just chain smokes and american spirits

1861
01:09:09,349 --> 01:09:05,120
full blown

1862
01:09:11,110 --> 01:09:09,359
yeah no guilt and the power big part of

1863
01:09:12,709 --> 01:09:11,120
this like i say spiritual path was

1864
01:09:14,789 --> 01:09:12,719
working through the guilt that was

1865
01:09:15,910 --> 01:09:14,799
inherent in it that i've that shame that

1866
01:09:18,309 --> 01:09:15,920
i got from

1867
01:09:21,349 --> 01:09:18,319
my early years in my you know by my

1868
01:09:23,749 --> 01:09:21,359
mother and such so there was there was a

1869
01:09:27,430 --> 01:09:23,759
lot more going on around this

1870
01:09:29,590 --> 01:09:27,440
that was much more than just the ethanol

1871
01:09:31,510 --> 01:09:29,600
so i i really saw this as this

1872
01:09:32,789 --> 01:09:31,520
opportunity in my life because it was

1873
01:09:37,269 --> 01:09:32,799
right there

1874
01:09:42,309 --> 01:09:40,630
uh i i was like now

1875
01:09:43,510 --> 01:09:42,319
this is

1876
01:09:46,149 --> 01:09:43,520
huge

1877
01:09:48,070 --> 01:09:46,159
i have guilt no i i

1878
01:09:50,789 --> 01:09:48,080
i agree with you again i agree with you

1879
01:09:53,030 --> 01:09:50,799
again because at one point uh

1880
01:09:54,550 --> 01:09:53,040
this is a long time ago i i thought oh

1881
01:09:57,030 --> 01:09:54,560
you know i i have a problem i'm gonna

1882
01:09:59,510 --> 01:09:57,040
i'm gonna go to aaa and try to clean up

1883
01:10:02,630 --> 01:09:59,520
and just the first step like

1884
01:10:04,790 --> 01:10:02,640
admit i'm powerless i don't know no i

1885
01:10:06,709 --> 01:10:04,800
don't believe in this right i just found

1886
01:10:08,870 --> 01:10:06,719
the philosophy flawed from the beginning

1887
01:10:10,550 --> 01:10:08,880
for me and then just sitting there like

1888
01:10:12,070 --> 01:10:10,560
here's a bunch of guys that are going to

1889
01:10:14,550 --> 01:10:12,080
complain every week

1890
01:10:16,390 --> 01:10:14,560
about how hard it is to not drink

1891
01:10:18,229 --> 01:10:16,400
no i don't want to share

1892
01:10:20,149 --> 01:10:18,239
i don't have anything to share this is

1893
01:10:22,870 --> 01:10:20,159
stupid i just thought it was stupid and

1894
01:10:24,790 --> 01:10:22,880
i kept coming back to that i'm powerless

1895
01:10:28,830 --> 01:10:24,800
well the thing of it is that you are you

1896
01:10:31,430 --> 01:10:28,840
all said you are powerless over the

1897
01:10:32,950 --> 01:10:31,440
drug yeah you might be right

1898
01:10:35,510 --> 01:10:32,960
well you are

1899
01:10:38,390 --> 01:10:35,520
we just we we cannot those those

1900
01:10:40,390 --> 01:10:38,400
chemicals are too strong for us

1901
01:10:42,470 --> 01:10:40,400
but it but but that but that's simply

1902
01:10:44,149 --> 01:10:42,480
like well

1903
01:10:45,669 --> 01:10:44,159
i'm smart enough to know not to take

1904
01:10:47,590 --> 01:10:45,679
something that'll affect me too much i

1905
01:10:49,350 --> 01:10:47,600
mean it's kind of like you know you know

1906
01:10:54,470 --> 01:10:49,360
if you take poison right you're not

1907
01:10:58,950 --> 01:10:57,030
right you just know the nature of the

1908
01:11:00,870 --> 01:10:58,960
substance and you know if you're going

1909
01:11:03,110 --> 01:11:00,880
to take it like acid

1910
01:11:04,390 --> 01:11:03,120
okay ayahuasca

1911
01:11:07,510 --> 01:11:04,400
you take ayahuasca you're not going to

1912
01:11:10,149 --> 01:11:07,520
go i'm an ayahuasca holic you just know

1913
01:11:11,750 --> 01:11:10,159
very clear that you will you're not you

1914
01:11:14,070 --> 01:11:11,760
you're powerless over ayahuasca if you

1915
01:11:16,390 --> 01:11:14,080
put it in your system

1916
01:11:17,990 --> 01:11:16,400
oh sure yeah absolutely

1917
01:11:20,630 --> 01:11:18,000
now i follow you yeah that's why i

1918
01:11:23,350 --> 01:11:20,640
inserted that real quick

1919
01:11:25,510 --> 01:11:23,360
i knew i knew where you were going

1920
01:11:27,510 --> 01:11:25,520
but you know because listen i i have

1921
01:11:29,350 --> 01:11:27,520
friends that are that are a

1922
01:11:31,350 --> 01:11:29,360
guy right and they're like listen if

1923
01:11:34,070 --> 01:11:31,360
you're gonna quit you just have to quit

1924
01:11:36,149 --> 01:11:34,080
and that's it you can't you can't uh

1925
01:11:37,669 --> 01:11:36,159
well oh one of my friends said you

1926
01:11:40,390 --> 01:11:37,679
cannot

1927
01:11:42,709 --> 01:11:40,400
train a dragon you just have to kill it

1928
01:11:44,149 --> 01:11:42,719
you know so i don't know if i if that's

1929
01:11:46,390 --> 01:11:44,159
the right thing to do

1930
01:11:47,830 --> 01:11:46,400
is to go i'll drink in moderation

1931
01:11:50,229 --> 01:11:47,840
because you're right a lot of people say

1932
01:11:51,430 --> 01:11:50,239
that and then they they slip back into

1933
01:11:53,350 --> 01:11:51,440
it's just like

1934
01:11:55,590 --> 01:11:53,360
same levels as before well i won't

1935
01:11:57,510 --> 01:11:55,600
remind you that it isn't extremely hard

1936
01:11:59,030 --> 01:11:57,520
and that i didn't extremely

1937
01:12:00,470 --> 01:11:59,040
go through all the school of hard knocks

1938
01:12:02,550 --> 01:12:00,480
with it i mean there were times when i

1939
01:12:05,270 --> 01:12:02,560
didn't think i was ever going to make it

1940
01:12:06,709 --> 01:12:05,280
but the way i did it was slow and

1941
01:12:08,390 --> 01:12:06,719
gradual and

1942
01:12:10,229 --> 01:12:08,400
and when i would drink i would drink one

1943
01:12:12,790 --> 01:12:10,239
thousand percent and that was important

1944
01:12:15,270 --> 01:12:12,800
for me like if i quit for six months

1945
01:12:17,669 --> 01:12:15,280
yeah if i quit for six years like okay

1946
01:12:19,910 --> 01:12:17,679
now i'm gonna have a bender yeah well i

1947
01:12:23,430 --> 01:12:19,920
would yeah it was just look it's a big

1948
01:12:25,189 --> 01:12:23,440
part of how you frame it because aaa has

1949
01:12:27,669 --> 01:12:25,199
this whole way of framing it and if you

1950
01:12:30,229 --> 01:12:27,679
get stuck in it so as a you know chaos

1951
01:12:31,990 --> 01:12:30,239
magician you know you really get into if

1952
01:12:34,070 --> 01:12:32,000
this is if you're really into the inner

1953
01:12:36,390 --> 01:12:34,080
work okay you're going to reframe this

1954
01:12:38,390 --> 01:12:36,400
stuff and do it in a way that you want

1955
01:12:39,510 --> 01:12:38,400
there's many techniques for getting what

1956
01:12:43,830 --> 01:12:39,520
you want

1957
01:12:47,430 --> 01:12:43,840
so if you're in this thing where you get

1958
01:12:49,910 --> 01:12:47,440
you must do this or else or you know

1959
01:12:52,229 --> 01:12:49,920
you're in this uh you've got to cut it

1960
01:12:53,590 --> 01:12:52,239
off because you can't all these other

1961
01:12:55,590 --> 01:12:53,600
ideas

1962
01:12:57,669 --> 01:12:55,600
so i eat the grapes without disease i

1963
01:12:59,510 --> 01:12:57,679
listen they're necessary so the bottom

1964
01:13:00,310 --> 01:12:59,520
line is i want what i want

1965
01:13:02,630 --> 01:13:00,320
so

1966
01:13:04,870 --> 01:13:02,640
do i want a drink tonight yes two

1967
01:13:06,310 --> 01:13:04,880
bottles of wine a pack of american

1968
01:13:08,070 --> 01:13:06,320
spirits i'm gonna sit down i'm gonna

1969
01:13:10,470 --> 01:13:08,080
have to just enjoy the [\h__\h] out of it oh

1970
01:13:12,070 --> 01:13:10,480
can i can i cuss on this

1971
01:13:13,669 --> 01:13:12,080
yeah okay i'm gonna enjoy because i want

1972
01:13:15,750 --> 01:13:13,679
to cuss this i want to say this word i'm

1973
01:13:18,950 --> 01:13:15,760
going to just drink the [\h__\h] out of this

1974
01:13:20,470 --> 01:13:18,960
i'm going to smoke drink you know maybe

1975
01:13:23,430 --> 01:13:20,480
a girlfriend to come over

1976
01:13:25,830 --> 01:13:23,440
just going to have sex all night you

1977
01:13:28,550 --> 01:13:25,840
know yes right and then i wake up in the

1978
01:13:29,750 --> 01:13:28,560
morning and i'm satiated satiated i'm

1979
01:13:31,350 --> 01:13:29,760
like yeah

1980
01:13:36,070 --> 01:13:31,360
this is

1981
01:13:37,510 --> 01:13:36,080
delicious yummy i feel satisfied i feel

1982
01:13:38,550 --> 01:13:37,520
relaxed

1983
01:13:39,510 --> 01:13:38,560
now

1984
01:13:41,990 --> 01:13:39,520
if

1985
01:13:43,350 --> 01:13:42,000
i kept drinking let's say the next day

1986
01:13:45,510 --> 01:13:43,360
and the next day

1987
01:13:47,910 --> 01:13:45,520
i start having these horrible hangovers

1988
01:13:50,709 --> 01:13:47,920
and i'm no longer getting what i want

1989
01:13:53,270 --> 01:13:50,719
which was to feel good now

1990
01:13:55,189 --> 01:13:53,280
i'm creating things that i don't want

1991
01:13:56,709 --> 01:13:55,199
so i went through a lot of those

1992
01:13:59,350 --> 01:13:56,719
experiences

1993
01:14:01,669 --> 01:13:59,360
where i just listen i steven i got to a

1994
01:14:03,750 --> 01:14:01,679
point where it was like i did it i did

1995
01:14:05,350 --> 01:14:03,760
this process so long

1996
01:14:07,110 --> 01:14:05,360
that i finally was like yeah it's not

1997
01:14:09,110 --> 01:14:07,120
fun anymore

1998
01:14:11,030 --> 01:14:09,120
uh so it was really important i think in

1999
01:14:13,350 --> 01:14:11,040
a nutshell to answer your question

2000
01:14:16,149 --> 01:14:13,360
it was really important to do what thou

2001
01:14:17,510 --> 01:14:16,159
will to the whole of the law love under

2002
01:14:19,030 --> 01:14:17,520
will

2003
01:14:20,709 --> 01:14:19,040
and it takes a certain level of

2004
01:14:23,030 --> 01:14:20,719
badassness

2005
01:14:24,310 --> 01:14:23,040
to carve your way through it is this for

2006
01:14:25,189 --> 01:14:24,320
everybody

2007
01:14:27,270 --> 01:14:25,199
no

2008
01:14:28,709 --> 01:14:27,280
but i would recommend this to people

2009
01:14:32,070 --> 01:14:28,719
that have a

2010
01:14:34,229 --> 01:14:32,080
inclination to doing deeper work and to

2011
01:14:36,950 --> 01:14:34,239
you know know that their

2012
01:14:40,070 --> 01:14:36,960
you know the basic magical

2013
01:14:41,750 --> 01:14:40,080
uh edict is changing reality through

2014
01:14:43,030 --> 01:14:41,760
your will

2015
01:14:45,669 --> 01:14:43,040
you know

2016
01:14:51,189 --> 01:14:48,630
yeah i'm a real big believer in in force

2017
01:14:53,430 --> 01:14:51,199
of will like we were talking about focus

2018
01:14:55,750 --> 01:14:53,440
the force of will to me is huge because

2019
01:14:58,950 --> 01:14:55,760
i i know that's how every human

2020
01:15:02,149 --> 01:14:58,960
achievement begins this force of will

2021
01:15:03,669 --> 01:15:02,159
yeah and if you talk about

2022
01:15:05,430 --> 01:15:03,679
i'm sorry just real quick i was gonna

2023
01:15:07,350 --> 01:15:05,440
say

2024
01:15:09,189 --> 01:15:07,360
just real quick before i is that if

2025
01:15:11,990 --> 01:15:09,199
you're using your will

2026
01:15:13,990 --> 01:15:12,000
to do this rather than this shame-based

2027
01:15:19,910 --> 01:15:14,000
self-loathing

2028
01:15:22,070 --> 01:15:19,920
gets you stuck on the loop

2029
01:15:23,750 --> 01:15:22,080
and you know i can't stop by blowing

2030
01:15:25,590 --> 01:15:23,760
this thing you know you're always doing

2031
01:15:28,550 --> 01:15:25,600
what you want all right go ahead i'm

2032
01:15:30,790 --> 01:15:28,560
sorry i had to throw that one in

2033
01:15:33,430 --> 01:15:30,800
no no that's perfect

2034
01:15:35,830 --> 01:15:33,440
so you know i've heard you talk a little

2035
01:15:37,430 --> 01:15:35,840
bit about your background and so you

2036
01:15:39,110 --> 01:15:37,440
grew up catholic but then you've also

2037
01:15:41,110 --> 01:15:39,120
mentioned uh

2038
01:15:43,350 --> 01:15:41,120
scientology

2039
01:15:46,310 --> 01:15:43,360
can you tell us about that well i was

2040
01:15:48,550 --> 01:15:46,320
born in a catholic uh family and my

2041
01:15:51,070 --> 01:15:48,560
earliest years were in a catholic church

2042
01:15:52,870 --> 01:15:51,080
then my mother i think around i was age

2043
01:15:55,270 --> 01:15:52,880
h5

2044
01:15:56,310 --> 01:15:55,280
she uh got into a charismatic christian

2045
01:15:57,510 --> 01:15:56,320
church

2046
01:15:58,950 --> 01:15:57,520
and uh

2047
01:16:01,110 --> 01:15:58,960
then from there

2048
01:16:04,310 --> 01:16:01,120
went to the worldwide church of god

2049
01:16:07,669 --> 01:16:04,320
which i had to sit in fricken

2050
01:16:08,550 --> 01:16:07,679
church services that were two hours

2051
01:16:12,390 --> 01:16:08,560
and

2052
01:16:13,830 --> 01:16:12,400
only did the jewish feast days so we'd

2053
01:16:15,910 --> 01:16:13,840
have like some of those these days were

2054
01:16:17,430 --> 01:16:15,920
like you know a week long and two

2055
01:16:19,189 --> 01:16:17,440
services two hours in the morning two

2056
01:16:21,750 --> 01:16:19,199
hours in the afternoon and then you had

2057
01:16:24,070 --> 01:16:21,760
a fast for like five days i mean it was

2058
01:16:25,510 --> 01:16:24,080
hell i hated that church

2059
01:16:28,229 --> 01:16:25,520
and and that church is partly

2060
01:16:30,870 --> 01:16:28,239
responsible for what i do now you know

2061
01:16:33,350 --> 01:16:30,880
like like i i said i had to sit there

2062
01:16:35,350 --> 01:16:33,360
when my mom slapped me or pinched me if

2063
01:16:37,669 --> 01:16:35,360
i moved and it's like

2064
01:16:39,590 --> 01:16:37,679
how do you expect a kid to sit here and

2065
01:16:41,350 --> 01:16:39,600
listen to this [\h__\h] for two hours you

2066
01:16:42,229 --> 01:16:41,360
know

2067
01:16:43,830 --> 01:16:42,239
so

2068
01:16:46,310 --> 01:16:43,840
but from there

2069
01:16:48,149 --> 01:16:46,320
when i got into my teens i was basically

2070
01:16:50,470 --> 01:16:48,159
i was in the era of sex drugs rock and

2071
01:16:53,510 --> 01:16:50,480
roll uh i had a band that played at

2072
01:16:55,430 --> 01:16:53,520
gazzari's in uh in hollywood

2073
01:16:59,510 --> 01:16:55,440
and actually headlined one night in

2074
01:17:03,750 --> 01:17:01,590
played at burbank studios played right

2075
01:17:07,110 --> 01:17:03,760
now in fact rat played right next to us

2076
01:17:08,630 --> 01:17:07,120
and they became famous just

2077
01:17:10,470 --> 01:17:08,640
just like

2078
01:17:13,110 --> 01:17:10,480
with the same time we were there

2079
01:17:14,229 --> 01:17:13,120
leader ford um we used to hang out with

2080
01:17:15,430 --> 01:17:14,239
dawkin

2081
01:17:17,750 --> 01:17:15,440
and uh

2082
01:17:19,990 --> 01:17:17,760
and black sabbath came in

2083
01:17:22,310 --> 01:17:20,000
one one weekend

2084
01:17:24,390 --> 01:17:22,320
so that was sex drugs and rock and roll

2085
01:17:27,270 --> 01:17:24,400
was in the heyday of

2086
01:17:28,630 --> 01:17:27,280
you know uh of this glam rock that was

2087
01:17:30,550 --> 01:17:28,640
taking off

2088
01:17:32,149 --> 01:17:30,560
and it was around that time and this was

2089
01:17:33,510 --> 01:17:32,159
all in my story that i got a born-again

2090
01:17:34,790 --> 01:17:33,520
experience and

2091
01:17:36,870 --> 01:17:34,800
i became

2092
01:17:39,510 --> 01:17:36,880
full-blown born again i had a i had a

2093
01:17:41,590 --> 01:17:39,520
full flushing the holy spirit threw my

2094
01:17:43,669 --> 01:17:41,600
head down into my body i started

2095
01:17:45,189 --> 01:17:43,679
laughing uncontrollably completely

2096
01:17:47,110 --> 01:17:45,199
liberated and

2097
01:17:49,669 --> 01:17:47,120
and right from then on i grabbed the

2098
01:17:51,590 --> 01:17:49,679
bible broke up with my girlfriend

2099
01:17:54,470 --> 01:17:51,600
said goodbye to all my friends and went

2100
01:17:56,310 --> 01:17:54,480
to a missionary school up in oregon and

2101
01:17:59,030 --> 01:17:56,320
dedicated my life to christian

2102
01:18:00,790 --> 01:17:59,040
missionary work i went to haiti twice

2103
01:18:02,709 --> 01:18:00,800
that's a whole story in itself so i did

2104
01:18:04,470 --> 01:18:02,719
that for five years

2105
01:18:06,630 --> 01:18:04,480
and then um

2106
01:18:09,350 --> 01:18:06,640
long story short i started working my

2107
01:18:10,950 --> 01:18:09,360
way i was being drawn into more deeper

2108
01:18:12,870 --> 01:18:10,960
metaphysical

2109
01:18:15,750 --> 01:18:12,880
truth because i had so many because the

2110
01:18:18,390 --> 01:18:15,760
nature of my conversion was so deep

2111
01:18:20,709 --> 01:18:18,400
uh that i started

2112
01:18:22,630 --> 01:18:20,719
you know getting deeper things inside

2113
01:18:24,149 --> 01:18:22,640
and which led me to elizabeth claire

2114
01:18:25,990 --> 01:18:24,159
prophet's work

2115
01:18:27,830 --> 01:18:26,000
and so that was a transition from

2116
01:18:29,030 --> 01:18:27,840
christianity into the new age and so i

2117
01:18:31,110 --> 01:18:29,040
got into

2118
01:18:33,510 --> 01:18:31,120
you know the violet flyer fire and the

2119
01:18:34,950 --> 01:18:33,520
ascended masters and all this

2120
01:18:36,390 --> 01:18:34,960
it was around

2121
01:18:40,790 --> 01:18:36,400
uh

2122
01:18:42,630 --> 01:18:40,800
just after that time um that i

2123
01:18:44,709 --> 01:18:42,640
i forget how i think when my friend

2124
01:18:47,270 --> 01:18:44,719
invited me

2125
01:18:49,270 --> 01:18:47,280
i forgot actually how but i got involved

2126
01:18:50,950 --> 01:18:49,280
in scientology

2127
01:18:52,790 --> 01:18:50,960
and so i knew enough at the time when i

2128
01:18:54,870 --> 01:18:52,800
got in scientology about metaphysics

2129
01:18:56,590 --> 01:18:54,880
that when i was looking at hubbard stuff

2130
01:18:58,870 --> 01:18:56,600
i was like going

2131
01:19:01,750 --> 01:18:58,880
holy cow

2132
01:19:05,110 --> 01:19:01,760
this is the mother lode of the new age

2133
01:19:07,590 --> 01:19:05,120
you are an operating satan inside of a

2134
01:19:09,189 --> 01:19:07,600
human body

2135
01:19:11,590 --> 01:19:09,199
and as you go up the bridge you will

2136
01:19:14,070 --> 01:19:11,600
have more and more increased powers

2137
01:19:16,950 --> 01:19:14,080
uh you have been incarnating for

2138
01:19:19,590 --> 01:19:16,960
billions of years but every the way he

2139
01:19:21,270 --> 01:19:19,600
worded it would change you as you read

2140
01:19:23,110 --> 01:19:21,280
these books

2141
01:19:24,709 --> 01:19:23,120
and it was just confirmed like

2142
01:19:26,550 --> 01:19:24,719
everything

2143
01:19:28,310 --> 01:19:26,560
i had been through and learned about the

2144
01:19:29,030 --> 01:19:28,320
new age everything this was this was

2145
01:19:33,590 --> 01:19:29,040
like

2146
01:19:34,830 --> 01:19:33,600
the bmw of the volkswagen

2147
01:19:39,430 --> 01:19:34,840
called the new

2148
01:19:42,070 --> 01:19:39,440
age and uh so i got involved and

2149
01:19:44,870 --> 01:19:42,080
i went really fast i wasn't in very long

2150
01:19:47,750 --> 01:19:44,880
but i went so fast that they told me

2151
01:19:49,350 --> 01:19:47,760
that i was a born ot so an operating

2152
01:19:51,590 --> 01:19:49,360
satan is something it costs you about a

2153
01:19:54,149 --> 01:19:51,600
hundred grand on the on the

2154
01:19:56,470 --> 01:19:54,159
on the bridge to become an operating

2155
01:19:57,590 --> 01:19:56,480
state they told me i was born operating

2156
01:19:59,430 --> 01:19:57,600
satan

2157
01:20:01,110 --> 01:19:59,440
uh so i was hanging out with some of the

2158
01:20:02,310 --> 01:20:01,120
high level people

2159
01:20:04,229 --> 01:20:02,320
and uh

2160
01:20:06,310 --> 01:20:04,239
and buying all their books and i was

2161
01:20:08,790 --> 01:20:06,320
just like i'm going to sign the billion

2162
01:20:11,990 --> 01:20:08,800
year contract i'm going to go on the sea

2163
01:20:13,910 --> 01:20:12,000
org and become a soldier because i as a

2164
01:20:17,430 --> 01:20:13,920
christian

2165
01:20:19,750 --> 01:20:17,440
cult

2166
01:20:22,470 --> 01:20:19,760
in ohio and i so

2167
01:20:24,709 --> 01:20:22,480
i was my conversion was so real

2168
01:20:27,270 --> 01:20:24,719
that i was being trained die for jesus i

2169
01:20:29,750 --> 01:20:27,280
was a soldier i was a radical

2170
01:20:31,590 --> 01:20:29,760
and uh my story you know

2171
01:20:32,709 --> 01:20:31,600
if you read the story you'll see

2172
01:20:34,870 --> 01:20:32,719
everything i went through i was a

2173
01:20:37,750 --> 01:20:34,880
radical so when i found scientology i

2174
01:20:40,229 --> 01:20:37,760
was like oh done i'm yours you know uh

2175
01:20:41,669 --> 01:20:40,239
the rest of my life i'm gonna be doing

2176
01:20:43,430 --> 01:20:41,679
the work for

2177
01:20:45,590 --> 01:20:43,440
you know uh

2178
01:20:47,030 --> 01:20:45,600
for the for the organization and clear

2179
01:20:48,070 --> 01:20:47,040
the planet

2180
01:20:50,229 --> 01:20:48,080
so there were a number of things that

2181
01:20:53,750 --> 01:20:50,239
happened again this is a longer story

2182
01:20:56,790 --> 01:20:53,760
but some things happened that uh i saw

2183
01:20:57,990 --> 01:20:56,800
the thing for what it was and luckily i

2184
01:21:00,550 --> 01:20:58,000
escaped

2185
01:21:02,870 --> 01:21:00,560
early enough to where

2186
01:21:05,510 --> 01:21:02,880
you know it wasn't

2187
01:21:10,229 --> 01:21:05,520
uh horror to leave

2188
01:21:12,310 --> 01:21:10,239
um and then from there it led me into uh

2189
01:21:14,070 --> 01:21:12,320
i pretty much after that got involved in

2190
01:21:17,669 --> 01:21:14,080
the flower of life about that time drum

2191
01:21:19,910 --> 01:21:17,679
below came out and big time in ufos

2192
01:21:21,350 --> 01:21:19,920
around that time bob lazar was just

2193
01:21:23,590 --> 01:21:21,360
coming out none of this stuff was

2194
01:21:25,270 --> 01:21:23,600
popular back then nobody knew about this

2195
01:21:27,350 --> 01:21:25,280
stuff you know i think the betty and

2196
01:21:29,350 --> 01:21:27,360
barney the betty and barney hill

2197
01:21:31,910 --> 01:21:29,360
abduction was had just kind of been

2198
01:21:34,229 --> 01:21:31,920
released and so that was terrifying to

2199
01:21:36,550 --> 01:21:34,239
people but it was so like none of this

2200
01:21:39,030 --> 01:21:36,560
area 50 runs none of this

2201
01:21:40,950 --> 01:21:39,040
and so i was really in it with mufon and

2202
01:21:44,070 --> 01:21:40,960
all that early on

2203
01:21:46,149 --> 01:21:44,080
and this is what uh grew into

2204
01:21:47,910 --> 01:21:46,159
when drumvolo hit the scene i you know

2205
01:21:50,310 --> 01:21:47,920
was right there was the first one to go

2206
01:21:52,470 --> 01:21:50,320
to some of the early seminars and and

2207
01:21:53,590 --> 01:21:52,480
all of this led me to sedona

2208
01:21:55,669 --> 01:21:53,600
and uh

2209
01:21:56,470 --> 01:21:55,679
then a big journey in sedona for you

2210
01:21:58,870 --> 01:21:56,480
know

2211
01:22:00,790 --> 01:21:58,880
another 20 years and then

2212
01:22:04,390 --> 01:22:00,800
2012 when the whole

2213
01:22:08,149 --> 01:22:04,400
new age orgasm supposed to happen

2214
01:22:11,350 --> 01:22:08,159
i serendipitously had a human awakening

2215
01:22:12,790 --> 01:22:11,360
the opposite happened

2216
01:22:16,390 --> 01:22:12,800
so

2217
01:22:19,430 --> 01:22:16,400
it was funny well i guess

2218
01:22:21,750 --> 01:22:19,440
i guess i i would also ask like did you

2219
01:22:23,270 --> 01:22:21,760
get far enough into scientology to hear

2220
01:22:24,629 --> 01:22:23,280
like the crazy

2221
01:22:27,270 --> 01:22:24,639
you know

2222
01:22:29,590 --> 01:22:27,280
stories at the top of the chain thing

2223
01:22:31,510 --> 01:22:29,600
and and if you did later hear those

2224
01:22:33,590 --> 01:22:31,520
stories like what did you think of that

2225
01:22:37,189 --> 01:22:33,600
well at the time was the end game yeah

2226
01:22:40,950 --> 01:22:37,199
yeah at the time it was um

2227
01:22:42,870 --> 01:22:40,960
it was very early in on uh people coming

2228
01:22:45,669 --> 01:22:42,880
against with the internet coming against

2229
01:22:47,270 --> 01:22:45,679
the church uh the free zone was an

2230
01:22:48,149 --> 01:22:47,280
organization outside of the church that

2231
01:22:52,550 --> 01:22:48,159
was

2232
01:22:54,470 --> 01:22:52,560
the site on the website i'm sorry on the

2233
01:22:57,350 --> 01:22:54,480
internet and the internet because they

2234
01:22:58,950 --> 01:22:57,360
would go after any of their detractors i

2235
01:23:01,750 --> 01:22:58,960
mean these are people

2236
01:23:03,910 --> 01:23:01,760
that broke into the irs

2237
01:23:06,470 --> 01:23:03,920
and threatened

2238
01:23:07,910 --> 01:23:06,480
the irs people individually and got the

2239
01:23:08,870 --> 01:23:07,920
irs to

2240
01:23:11,830 --> 01:23:08,880
you know

2241
01:23:14,390 --> 01:23:11,840
make them a tax-free organization so

2242
01:23:16,550 --> 01:23:14,400
the the level into which

2243
01:23:19,189 --> 01:23:16,560
i learned a lot okay i learned a lot

2244
01:23:22,149 --> 01:23:19,199
about black dianetics about

2245
01:23:24,709 --> 01:23:22,159
you know uh sorcery and your cult forces

2246
01:23:26,790 --> 01:23:24,719
and really the real deal

2247
01:23:28,790 --> 01:23:26,800
they're they're no [\h__\h] group but

2248
01:23:30,629 --> 01:23:28,800
back then

2249
01:23:32,629 --> 01:23:30,639
they didn't it wasn't you know it was

2250
01:23:35,750 --> 01:23:32,639
still a bit of a heyday

2251
01:23:36,870 --> 01:23:35,760
so when i left the tech what they called

2252
01:23:37,990 --> 01:23:36,880
the tech

2253
01:23:40,550 --> 01:23:38,000
was

2254
01:23:42,149 --> 01:23:40,560
had i had such a powerful experience i

2255
01:23:44,229 --> 01:23:42,159
actually had a kundalini release in

2256
01:23:46,709 --> 01:23:44,239
there which they call

2257
01:23:48,709 --> 01:23:46,719
call a blow so to speak when you blow an

2258
01:23:49,669 --> 01:23:48,719
energy blows

2259
01:23:55,110 --> 01:23:49,679
and

2260
01:23:56,470 --> 01:23:55,120
spent the next 15 years studying the

2261
01:23:58,149 --> 01:23:56,480
whole thing

2262
01:23:59,590 --> 01:23:58,159
top to bottom

2263
01:24:03,990 --> 01:23:59,600
and

2264
01:24:04,950 --> 01:24:04,000
as the years evolved

2265
01:24:06,310 --> 01:24:04,960
uh

2266
01:24:07,669 --> 01:24:06,320
you know

2267
01:24:09,270 --> 01:24:07,679
more and more people started talking

2268
01:24:11,430 --> 01:24:09,280
about it but

2269
01:24:13,669 --> 01:24:11,440
you know they would come after them take

2270
01:24:17,110 --> 01:24:13,679
down their website however they could

2271
01:24:20,470 --> 01:24:17,120
but it wasn't until this past

2272
01:24:21,830 --> 01:24:20,480
really the past five six years maybe

2273
01:24:23,189 --> 01:24:21,840
somewhere around there

2274
01:24:24,709 --> 01:24:23,199
that um

2275
01:24:27,110 --> 01:24:24,719
a number of

2276
01:24:29,510 --> 01:24:27,120
major players maybe the past ten years a

2277
01:24:31,030 --> 01:24:29,520
number of major players on at the head

2278
01:24:32,070 --> 01:24:31,040
of scientology

2279
01:24:33,030 --> 01:24:32,080
left

2280
01:24:34,709 --> 01:24:33,040
uh

2281
01:24:38,149 --> 01:24:34,719
marty

2282
01:24:40,790 --> 01:24:38,159
uh

2283
01:24:42,870 --> 01:24:40,800
yeah i think it's rapper and yeah

2284
01:24:45,510 --> 01:24:42,880
and the number of other you know they

2285
01:24:49,030 --> 01:24:45,520
came forward and even at that i mean

2286
01:24:52,070 --> 01:24:49,040
people that ran the organization still

2287
01:24:54,310 --> 01:24:52,080
it was like they got hassled attacked

2288
01:24:56,470 --> 01:24:54,320
they went through absolute hell

2289
01:24:58,709 --> 01:24:56,480
and i think uh you know probably less

2290
01:24:59,830 --> 01:24:58,719
now because so many documentaries now

2291
01:25:01,990 --> 01:24:59,840
have come out

2292
01:25:04,070 --> 01:25:02,000
that um

2293
01:25:07,030 --> 01:25:04,080
you know that show them doing that to

2294
01:25:09,270 --> 01:25:07,040
people yeah it's really bad from a pr

2295
01:25:12,070 --> 01:25:09,280
perspective no matter what they say you

2296
01:25:14,870 --> 01:25:12,080
know right yeah it's really blown the

2297
01:25:16,390 --> 01:25:14,880
cover on so they're not no they're known

2298
01:25:19,030 --> 01:25:16,400
more now for

2299
01:25:20,550 --> 01:25:19,040
bad than good however the way the tech

2300
01:25:23,590 --> 01:25:20,560
is designed

2301
01:25:27,430 --> 01:25:23,600
uh nothing will stop them

2302
01:25:31,990 --> 01:25:30,790
i don't know i i've been shocked

2303
01:25:33,590 --> 01:25:32,000
they're trying to you know unless they

2304
01:25:35,669 --> 01:25:33,600
can really find some crimes i think

2305
01:25:37,430 --> 01:25:35,679
there's been high crimes and i'm talking

2306
01:25:39,830 --> 01:25:37,440
on the level of murders

2307
01:25:41,750 --> 01:25:39,840
and other very serious things i think

2308
01:25:42,629 --> 01:25:41,760
it's a criminal organization

2309
01:25:44,229 --> 01:25:42,639
but

2310
01:25:46,310 --> 01:25:44,239
the tech

2311
01:25:47,910 --> 01:25:46,320
i always said if you can take this

2312
01:25:50,709 --> 01:25:47,920
technology

2313
01:25:52,390 --> 01:25:50,719
and you can just tweak it

2314
01:25:54,070 --> 01:25:52,400
it could do a tremendous amount for the

2315
01:25:56,790 --> 01:25:54,080
world it could do you know you got to do

2316
01:25:58,550 --> 01:25:56,800
some major tweaking here but it was a

2317
01:25:59,750 --> 01:25:58,560
powerful thing for

2318
01:26:01,830 --> 01:25:59,760
um

2319
01:26:04,390 --> 01:26:01,840
blowing somebody open

2320
01:26:05,910 --> 01:26:04,400
you know um isn't there groups now that

2321
01:26:07,910 --> 01:26:05,920
are that are

2322
01:26:10,550 --> 01:26:07,920
using the the teachings and the

2323
01:26:12,550 --> 01:26:10,560
technology without involvement of the

2324
01:26:15,110 --> 01:26:12,560
church yeah and the church goes after

2325
01:26:17,430 --> 01:26:15,120
them too yeah that's the free zone and

2326
01:26:19,030 --> 01:26:17,440
they they've been at it a long time so

2327
01:26:22,229 --> 01:26:19,040
they're used to it and they have their

2328
01:26:23,990 --> 01:26:22,239
groups and you know uh you you know use

2329
01:26:24,950 --> 01:26:24,000
an e-meter

2330
01:26:27,030 --> 01:26:24,960
um

2331
01:26:29,590 --> 01:26:27,040
you can uh you know it can be it's an

2332
01:26:32,149 --> 01:26:29,600
interesting technology so to speak but

2333
01:26:33,750 --> 01:26:32,159
it definitely is duelist and so if i was

2334
01:26:34,550 --> 01:26:33,760
able to

2335
01:26:37,669 --> 01:26:34,560
you know

2336
01:26:39,189 --> 01:26:37,679
use it um i would tweak it

2337
01:26:40,709 --> 01:26:39,199
i would simply tweak it instead of you

2338
01:26:43,189 --> 01:26:40,719
know you're a satan in a body i would

2339
01:26:45,030 --> 01:26:43,199
say you have tremendous power

2340
01:26:47,030 --> 01:26:45,040
and if you can release the things that

2341
01:26:49,669 --> 01:26:47,040
are holding you back

2342
01:26:51,669 --> 01:26:49,679
but here's the thing steven

2343
01:26:53,030 --> 01:26:51,679
they were able to get to things with the

2344
01:26:54,310 --> 01:26:53,040
with the meter

2345
01:26:56,709 --> 01:26:54,320
that

2346
01:26:59,430 --> 01:26:56,719
see we really forget stuff

2347
01:27:01,030 --> 01:26:59,440
we really lock away stuff from very

2348
01:27:03,350 --> 01:27:01,040
early years and i don't care what

2349
01:27:05,110 --> 01:27:03,360
anybody says to me okay

2350
01:27:06,950 --> 01:27:05,120
and now you know if you ask a good

2351
01:27:09,189 --> 01:27:06,960
therapist banana a while they'll they'll

2352
01:27:10,950 --> 01:27:09,199
tell you this is correct but there are

2353
01:27:12,870 --> 01:27:10,960
things locked away inside of us that are

2354
01:27:15,669 --> 01:27:12,880
so booby trapped

2355
01:27:18,070 --> 01:27:15,679
that are sucking major

2356
01:27:22,070 --> 01:27:18,080
amounts of energy

2357
01:27:24,070 --> 01:27:22,080
that we would not even believe

2358
01:27:25,990 --> 01:27:24,080
exist

2359
01:27:27,830 --> 01:27:26,000
and so this is why

2360
01:27:29,590 --> 01:27:27,840
the person that's really caught that's

2361
01:27:31,510 --> 01:27:29,600
why i say caught in the tiger's mouth

2362
01:27:34,870 --> 01:27:31,520
you're bitten by the serpent

2363
01:27:36,870 --> 01:27:34,880
is when you are feel compelled to seek

2364
01:27:38,870 --> 01:27:36,880
because that's the only way you're going

2365
01:27:40,550 --> 01:27:38,880
to have the courage to get through this

2366
01:27:42,870 --> 01:27:40,560
stuff

2367
01:27:44,870 --> 01:27:42,880
but it's really not by choice in a way

2368
01:27:46,790 --> 01:27:44,880
it isn't it isn't it's just

2369
01:27:47,750 --> 01:27:46,800
the desire has to be there a strong

2370
01:27:49,910 --> 01:27:47,760
desire

2371
01:27:51,189 --> 01:27:49,920
but you can uh you can work through a

2372
01:27:53,189 --> 01:27:51,199
whole bunch of stuff whole bunch of

2373
01:27:54,629 --> 01:27:53,199
stuff and then wow you uncover this

2374
01:27:56,870 --> 01:27:54,639
young cover then all of a sudden you

2375
01:27:59,189 --> 01:27:56,880
discover whoa

2376
01:28:01,270 --> 01:27:59,199
that was down there

2377
01:28:03,750 --> 01:28:01,280
you know and and all of a sudden you

2378
01:28:05,910 --> 01:28:03,760
cognize it and it's hard because you

2379
01:28:07,510 --> 01:28:05,920
there's a reason why you forgot it

2380
01:28:10,149 --> 01:28:07,520
there was a good reason

2381
01:28:12,950 --> 01:28:10,159
and then boom all of this

2382
01:28:15,669 --> 01:28:12,960
this this energy and this this

2383
01:28:18,790 --> 01:28:15,679
sadness and all of this that was locked

2384
01:28:19,830 --> 01:28:18,800
in that just blows and it releases and

2385
01:28:22,070 --> 01:28:19,840
now

2386
01:28:23,590 --> 01:28:22,080
you have that current and that force

2387
01:28:25,750 --> 01:28:23,600
much more

2388
01:28:28,550 --> 01:28:25,760
uh available to you

2389
01:28:30,390 --> 01:28:28,560
and uh active in and around you so this

2390
01:28:31,910 --> 01:28:30,400
is the whole this is the whole zen

2391
01:28:34,310 --> 01:28:31,920
temple this is the whole

2392
01:28:35,189 --> 01:28:34,320
shamanic journey into the underworld

2393
01:28:37,910 --> 01:28:35,199
part

2394
01:28:42,070 --> 01:28:40,070
yeah i was going to say that everybody

2395
01:28:44,149 --> 01:28:42,080
that i know that had this sort of

2396
01:28:47,750 --> 01:28:44,159
scientology experience they all agree

2397
01:28:48,790 --> 01:28:47,760
that the sessions were very cathartic

2398
01:28:50,629 --> 01:28:48,800
is that

2399
01:28:52,790 --> 01:28:50,639
was that your experience too these

2400
01:28:54,070 --> 01:28:52,800
auditing sessions were well i would

2401
01:28:56,870 --> 01:28:54,080
consider

2402
01:28:58,629 --> 01:28:56,880
again focusing more than any of this

2403
01:29:00,790 --> 01:28:58,639
okay because if you really get good at

2404
01:29:02,629 --> 01:29:00,800
focusing this is what it does

2405
01:29:04,070 --> 01:29:02,639
you learn to listen to the subtle cues

2406
01:29:06,709 --> 01:29:04,080
inside of you

2407
01:29:08,550 --> 01:29:06,719
um but

2408
01:29:09,910 --> 01:29:08,560
the sessions um

2409
01:29:12,310 --> 01:29:09,920
are powerful yeah they're powerful

2410
01:29:14,629 --> 01:29:12,320
there's certain things like the tr's you

2411
01:29:17,430 --> 01:29:14,639
know communication which is i'm going to

2412
01:29:18,870 --> 01:29:17,440
be teaching a form of this in zen temple

2413
01:29:20,629 --> 01:29:18,880
it's the small the best thing i can tell

2414
01:29:22,550 --> 01:29:20,639
you the small things that you master

2415
01:29:24,390 --> 01:29:22,560
that makes the biggest difference and

2416
01:29:26,790 --> 01:29:24,400
this is why people don't don't

2417
01:29:28,629 --> 01:29:26,800
find out why don't figure it out

2418
01:29:29,830 --> 01:29:28,639
because they're looking for this this

2419
01:29:32,229 --> 01:29:29,840
and this and this and they don't

2420
01:29:34,149 --> 01:29:32,239
understand that it's the simple little

2421
01:29:35,430 --> 01:29:34,159
things that will open up the biggest

2422
01:29:36,310 --> 01:29:35,440
doors

2423
01:29:39,270 --> 01:29:36,320
so

2424
01:29:43,750 --> 01:29:39,280
the sessions could be

2425
01:29:45,189 --> 01:29:43,760
they always the whole point of a session

2426
01:29:46,310 --> 01:29:45,199
is that you reach some type of an

2427
01:29:48,629 --> 01:29:46,320
insight

2428
01:29:50,229 --> 01:29:48,639
some type of an opening in aha and then

2429
01:29:52,310 --> 01:29:50,239
they close the fashion

2430
01:29:53,430 --> 01:29:52,320
however there are times when you have a

2431
01:29:56,229 --> 01:29:53,440
session

2432
01:29:57,590 --> 01:29:56,239
and something blows you know and inside

2433
01:29:58,790 --> 01:29:57,600
and about you know but knock you off

2434
01:30:00,149 --> 01:29:58,800
your chair

2435
01:30:02,709 --> 01:30:00,159
so these are

2436
01:30:04,229 --> 01:30:02,719
this is what the meter does

2437
01:30:06,390 --> 01:30:04,239
is

2438
01:30:08,149 --> 01:30:06,400
it starts reading charge kind of like a

2439
01:30:10,950 --> 01:30:08,159
lie detector

2440
01:30:11,990 --> 01:30:10,960
so you know you may ask the person you

2441
01:30:14,390 --> 01:30:12,000
know

2442
01:30:16,950 --> 01:30:14,400
about running through an incident when

2443
01:30:18,629 --> 01:30:16,960
they were six about

2444
01:30:21,510 --> 01:30:18,639
um

2445
01:30:22,790 --> 01:30:21,520
their uncle about their

2446
01:30:24,550 --> 01:30:22,800
their mother

2447
01:30:26,470 --> 01:30:24,560
in the kitchen

2448
01:30:28,070 --> 01:30:26,480
and so they go and their uncle bob and

2449
01:30:29,750 --> 01:30:28,080
so they run through it and they go go to

2450
01:30:31,350 --> 01:30:29,760
the beginning of it and they go okay i

2451
01:30:32,790 --> 01:30:31,360
was in the kitchen

2452
01:30:34,709 --> 01:30:32,800
my mother is

2453
01:30:37,189 --> 01:30:34,719
washing dishes

2454
01:30:38,629 --> 01:30:37,199
and uncle bob is in

2455
01:30:40,550 --> 01:30:38,639
the living room

2456
01:30:42,629 --> 01:30:40,560
and i go to my bedroom

2457
01:30:44,070 --> 01:30:42,639
and so the meter is it's just kind of

2458
01:30:46,070 --> 01:30:44,080
like

2459
01:30:47,430 --> 01:30:46,080
you know it's it's just kind of staying

2460
01:30:48,790 --> 01:30:47,440
in one spot

2461
01:30:51,189 --> 01:30:48,800
okay

2462
01:30:52,550 --> 01:30:51,199
and then uh i got to remember if i had

2463
01:30:53,830 --> 01:30:52,560
how to read this thing because it's been

2464
01:30:56,070 --> 01:30:53,840
a long time

2465
01:30:57,750 --> 01:30:56,080
um and then

2466
01:30:59,430 --> 01:30:57,760
so they go okay because they're they're

2467
01:31:00,709 --> 01:30:59,440
seeing the meter's telling them there's

2468
01:31:02,229 --> 01:31:00,719
something there now the person that's

2469
01:31:03,830 --> 01:31:02,239
telling the guy is telling the stories

2470
01:31:05,910 --> 01:31:03,840
and he's like fine

2471
01:31:07,110 --> 01:31:05,920
so they go now go on you know go back to

2472
01:31:08,550 --> 01:31:07,120
the beginning and say it again so he

2473
01:31:11,270 --> 01:31:08,560
goes okay

2474
01:31:13,430 --> 01:31:11,280
you saw him in the kitchen

2475
01:31:14,830 --> 01:31:13,440
my mom wearing a red shirt my mother's

2476
01:31:16,870 --> 01:31:14,840
washing

2477
01:31:18,390 --> 01:31:16,880
dishes i

2478
01:31:21,350 --> 01:31:18,400
and all of a sudden it might go like

2479
01:31:28,070 --> 01:31:25,110
uncle's in the living room

2480
01:31:30,149 --> 01:31:28,080
and i'm in the bedroom

2481
01:31:31,990 --> 01:31:30,159
now that round the meter's really

2482
01:31:34,470 --> 01:31:32,000
reading

2483
01:31:37,590 --> 01:31:34,480
so they go now go back to the beginning

2484
01:31:39,350 --> 01:31:37,600
and at this time there's resistance

2485
01:31:41,510 --> 01:31:39,360
what do you mean i don't go right

2486
01:31:45,110 --> 01:31:41,520
there's nothing there i don't know

2487
01:31:47,189 --> 01:31:45,120
i understand go back to the beginning

2488
01:31:49,669 --> 01:31:47,199
then he goes all right so in other words

2489
01:31:52,629 --> 01:31:49,679
what he's now feeling is he's starting

2490
01:31:53,590 --> 01:31:52,639
to get close to that event

2491
01:31:55,990 --> 01:31:53,600
that

2492
01:31:57,189 --> 01:31:56,000
he completely booby-trapped and this is

2493
01:31:59,030 --> 01:31:57,199
why you know when people are drinking or

2494
01:32:01,110 --> 01:31:59,040
smoking or whatever or in families or

2495
01:32:03,030 --> 01:32:01,120
you know socializing whatever vacation

2496
01:32:04,390 --> 01:32:03,040
whatever in regular life this is where

2497
01:32:07,110 --> 01:32:04,400
the average person will never ever get

2498
01:32:09,430 --> 01:32:07,120
close to any of this not even close

2499
01:32:10,830 --> 01:32:09,440
because to get close to it is going to

2500
01:32:12,390 --> 01:32:10,840
require you

2501
01:32:14,390 --> 01:32:12,400
reliving

2502
01:32:16,070 --> 01:32:14,400
something that was so terrifying and

2503
01:32:18,229 --> 01:32:16,080
traumatic

2504
01:32:20,550 --> 01:32:18,239
that there's a reason why you you it was

2505
01:32:23,189 --> 01:32:20,560
suppressed

2506
01:32:25,270 --> 01:32:23,199
so he runs through it again

2507
01:32:26,550 --> 01:32:25,280
you know in the kitchen i got my red

2508
01:32:28,070 --> 01:32:26,560
shirt on

2509
01:32:29,030 --> 01:32:28,080
the tree's blowing outside in other

2510
01:32:30,310 --> 01:32:29,040
she's picking up a little more

2511
01:32:33,350 --> 01:32:30,320
information

2512
01:32:36,070 --> 01:32:33,360
mom is washing the dishes

2513
01:32:38,390 --> 01:32:36,080
the dog is by her foot

2514
01:32:40,629 --> 01:32:38,400
and then

2515
01:32:43,669 --> 01:32:40,639
uncle bob's in the

2516
01:32:45,189 --> 01:32:43,679
and then all of a sudden boom

2517
01:32:47,669 --> 01:32:45,199
boom

2518
01:32:48,310 --> 01:32:47,679
he recalls uncle bob comes into his room

2519
01:32:49,669 --> 01:32:48,320
and

2520
01:32:51,830 --> 01:32:49,679
rapes him

2521
01:32:54,709 --> 01:32:51,840
molest him

2522
01:32:56,950 --> 01:32:54,719
then the whole thing just blows

2523
01:32:58,470 --> 01:32:56,960
and this is when you have somebody who's

2524
01:32:59,750 --> 01:32:58,480
had such a big release that they

2525
01:33:01,910 --> 01:32:59,760
literally could be

2526
01:33:03,990 --> 01:33:01,920
like on the floor barely can move you

2527
01:33:06,390 --> 01:33:04,000
know the energy is just

2528
01:33:07,110 --> 01:33:06,400
just blowing out of their arms and eyes

2529
01:33:09,189 --> 01:33:07,120
and

2530
01:33:10,790 --> 01:33:09,199
you know

2531
01:33:13,669 --> 01:33:10,800
so that's a

2532
01:33:15,270 --> 01:33:13,679
that's a fairly accurate probably the

2533
01:33:16,870 --> 01:33:15,280
best picture i can give you of how that

2534
01:33:22,709 --> 01:33:16,880
process works and why

2535
01:33:27,910 --> 01:33:25,430
so do you did they believe that everyone

2536
01:33:29,669 --> 01:33:27,920
has these traumatic

2537
01:33:31,510 --> 01:33:29,679
events in their childhood that they've

2538
01:33:34,149 --> 01:33:31,520
covered up in their own mind and then

2539
01:33:36,870 --> 01:33:34,159
they sort of mind their mind for these

2540
01:33:38,070 --> 01:33:36,880
things and get rid of them well

2541
01:33:39,590 --> 01:33:38,080
i i don't know if it's about them

2542
01:33:42,229 --> 01:33:39,600
believing i think that the fact of the

2543
01:33:45,669 --> 01:33:42,239
matter is we all have an unconscious

2544
01:33:48,390 --> 01:33:46,709
is

2545
01:33:50,229 --> 01:33:48,400
the thing

2546
01:33:53,750 --> 01:33:50,239
because you can get even deeper into

2547
01:33:56,870 --> 01:33:53,760
this thing where you get into um your

2548
01:33:58,870 --> 01:33:56,880
um genetic

2549
01:34:00,709 --> 01:33:58,880
history and then you get into the deeper

2550
01:34:02,229 --> 01:34:00,719
animal powers you know this gets into

2551
01:34:04,550 --> 01:34:02,239
shamanism

2552
01:34:06,149 --> 01:34:04,560
you know you start meeting

2553
01:34:08,229 --> 01:34:06,159
you know because you

2554
01:34:09,990 --> 01:34:08,239
you think you're stephen and you're

2555
01:34:11,030 --> 01:34:10,000
you're you're really nothing is really

2556
01:34:13,189 --> 01:34:11,040
yours

2557
01:34:14,550 --> 01:34:13,199
you're just being lipped this whole idea

2558
01:34:17,030 --> 01:34:14,560
that you know we we just have these

2559
01:34:19,350 --> 01:34:17,040
identities but we're an evolut we're an

2560
01:34:22,470 --> 01:34:19,360
evolutionary continuum

2561
01:34:24,870 --> 01:34:22,480
and all the animal powers were made of

2562
01:34:26,629 --> 01:34:24,880
so again you start the first thing is

2563
01:34:27,830 --> 01:34:26,639
really start clearing your childhood in

2564
01:34:30,070 --> 01:34:27,840
your life

2565
01:34:32,629 --> 01:34:30,080
and then that opens up deeper doors of

2566
01:34:34,709 --> 01:34:32,639
occult mysticism and again this is this

2567
01:34:36,950 --> 01:34:34,719
is way out there so this is something

2568
01:34:40,229 --> 01:34:36,960
that again this is then this is then

2569
01:34:41,830 --> 01:34:40,239
temple whole project process of this

2570
01:34:43,910 --> 01:34:41,840
but you don't the first thing is you

2571
01:34:44,830 --> 01:34:43,920
gotta attend to

2572
01:34:47,109 --> 01:34:44,840
uh your

2573
01:34:49,910 --> 01:34:47,119
life and uh

2574
01:34:51,830 --> 01:34:49,920
you never know what will happen

2575
01:34:54,390 --> 01:34:51,840
and arise because even in the best

2576
01:34:56,390 --> 01:34:54,400
scenarios the vast

2577
01:34:59,830 --> 01:34:56,400
child childhood

2578
01:35:01,350 --> 01:34:59,840
it is very common in affair in therapy

2579
01:35:03,189 --> 01:35:01,360
for someone to say oh what a great

2580
01:35:05,910 --> 01:35:03,199
childhood my mom was great my dad was

2581
01:35:07,669 --> 01:35:05,920
great good childhood right three weeks

2582
01:35:10,229 --> 01:35:07,679
into therapy all of a sudden they

2583
01:35:13,350 --> 01:35:10,239
discover oh

2584
01:35:15,669 --> 01:35:13,360
i had no idea that was affecting me

2585
01:35:18,470 --> 01:35:15,679
you know mom being nice

2586
01:35:20,390 --> 01:35:18,480
mom being nice but never being there i

2587
01:35:22,229 --> 01:35:20,400
love you honey gotta go

2588
01:35:23,350 --> 01:35:22,239
i love you honey

2589
01:35:24,870 --> 01:35:23,360
right

2590
01:35:26,790 --> 01:35:24,880
so he loves his mom he doesn't want to

2591
01:35:29,109 --> 01:35:26,800
think bad thoughts about his mom and

2592
01:35:31,030 --> 01:35:29,119
right and so he's going to be the best

2593
01:35:33,669 --> 01:35:31,040
of him she goes you'll be a strong you

2594
01:35:37,030 --> 01:35:33,679
be my man now you be my little man now

2595
01:35:37,910 --> 01:35:37,040
and you watch the house while i'm gone

2596
01:35:41,590 --> 01:35:37,920
that

2597
01:35:45,750 --> 01:35:43,990
on some level so we're affected on

2598
01:35:47,910 --> 01:35:45,760
levels that we

2599
01:35:49,830 --> 01:35:47,920
we actually are not even aware that have

2600
01:35:52,790 --> 01:35:49,840
that affected

2601
01:35:54,629 --> 01:35:52,800
and so you don't go digging for them

2602
01:35:58,149 --> 01:35:54,639
what you do is you follow things that

2603
01:36:00,390 --> 01:35:59,350
so you know if you're having a problem

2604
01:36:01,990 --> 01:36:00,400
with your

2605
01:36:03,430 --> 01:36:02,000
girlfriend

2606
01:36:04,950 --> 01:36:03,440
you know you know i don't know why i

2607
01:36:07,430 --> 01:36:04,960
keep feeling this way you go into

2608
01:36:09,669 --> 01:36:07,440
therapy and you follow that

2609
01:36:12,470 --> 01:36:09,679
and that will lead you where

2610
01:36:14,470 --> 01:36:12,480
it goes to the root

2611
01:36:16,629 --> 01:36:14,480
you know i don't like my job

2612
01:36:17,830 --> 01:36:16,639
or i feel intimidated by

2613
01:36:20,470 --> 01:36:17,840
my boss

2614
01:36:23,590 --> 01:36:20,480
and it's really affecting the way i do

2615
01:36:30,550 --> 01:36:25,830
you know those are the things those and

2616
01:36:36,870 --> 01:36:32,550
i can't stop thinking about that you

2617
01:36:40,310 --> 01:36:39,510
i i like that you are putting all of

2618
01:36:42,790 --> 01:36:40,320
your

2619
01:36:44,070 --> 01:36:42,800
experience together and trying to teach

2620
01:36:45,750 --> 01:36:44,080
others with it do you want to tell

2621
01:36:47,750 --> 01:36:45,760
everybody where they can get your books

2622
01:36:49,590 --> 01:36:47,760
and your website so that my listeners

2623
01:36:50,830 --> 01:36:49,600
can follow up with you yeah yeah just go

2624
01:36:53,270 --> 01:36:50,840
to uh

2625
01:36:57,109 --> 01:36:53,280
unspirituality.com that's probably the

2626
01:36:59,750 --> 01:36:57,119
best source i believe i've got

2627
01:37:01,430 --> 01:36:59,760
all of my books on there um my zen

2628
01:37:02,470 --> 01:37:01,440
temple just i don't know if it got

2629
01:37:04,550 --> 01:37:02,480
hacked

2630
01:37:07,669 --> 01:37:04,560
or what but

2631
01:37:09,669 --> 01:37:07,679
zen temple is down and uh

2632
01:37:11,990 --> 01:37:09,679
i think it got

2633
01:37:13,350 --> 01:37:12,000
i'm believing i'm i'm assuming it got

2634
01:37:14,790 --> 01:37:13,360
hacked

2635
01:37:16,709 --> 01:37:14,800
um

2636
01:37:18,310 --> 01:37:16,719
because i have yeah i saw your message

2637
01:37:19,830 --> 01:37:18,320
about that on facebook yeah i've got

2638
01:37:22,470 --> 01:37:19,840
that's weird i've got all sorts of

2639
01:37:25,030 --> 01:37:22,480
friends out there that love me

2640
01:37:26,229 --> 01:37:25,040
um let's just

2641
01:37:27,750 --> 01:37:26,239
but let me look real quick and

2642
01:37:29,590 --> 01:37:27,760
unspiritual and see if i got all my

2643
01:37:31,270 --> 01:37:29,600
books there hold on a second

2644
01:37:34,470 --> 01:37:31,280
so they'll just you can also search

2645
01:37:35,430 --> 01:37:34,480
amazon for unspirituality and i will pop

2646
01:37:37,669 --> 01:37:35,440
up

2647
01:37:40,030 --> 01:37:37,679
um but let me just check because i could

2648
01:37:43,350 --> 01:37:40,040
send you guys to

2649
01:37:45,030 --> 01:37:43,360
unspirituality.com if you go to the shop

2650
01:37:46,550 --> 01:37:45,040
and yeah just just go to

2651
01:37:49,430 --> 01:37:46,560
spirituality.com

2652
01:37:52,709 --> 01:37:49,440
and go click on shop and there's the

2653
01:37:55,189 --> 01:37:52,719
three books i have my my biography my

2654
01:37:57,270 --> 01:37:55,199
first book which is the philosophy the

2655
01:37:58,790 --> 01:37:57,280
basic philosophy and then i have my

2656
01:38:00,070 --> 01:37:58,800
children's book that i wrote and

2657
01:38:01,189 --> 01:38:00,080
narrated

2658
01:38:02,629 --> 01:38:01,199
and uh

2659
01:38:04,870 --> 01:38:02,639
so that would be the place to go and

2660
01:38:08,870 --> 01:38:04,880
then you can get to the youtube channel

2661
01:38:10,790 --> 01:38:08,880
also and the facebook group from there

2662
01:38:12,390 --> 01:38:10,800
and you can also book

2663
01:38:15,030 --> 01:38:12,400
you can also book a one-on-one session

2664
01:38:16,709 --> 01:38:15,040
with me it's sixty dollars an hour uh

2665
01:38:19,830 --> 01:38:16,719
just you know you want to just hang out

2666
01:38:22,070 --> 01:38:19,840
and pick my brain about stuff

2667
01:38:24,070 --> 01:38:22,080
well zen i want to thank you for hanging

2668
01:38:26,070 --> 01:38:24,080
out with me and letting me pick your

2669
01:38:28,149 --> 01:38:26,080
brain tonight it's been an awesome

2670
01:38:30,470 --> 01:38:28,159
experience

2671
01:38:31,830 --> 01:38:30,480
now my friends

2672
01:38:34,070 --> 01:38:31,840
i'd like to talk about some of the

2673
01:38:38,149 --> 01:38:34,080
things that have been going on lately

2674
01:38:45,189 --> 01:38:39,669
call it an update

2675
01:38:47,990 --> 01:38:45,199
a cosmic con man update if you will

2676
01:38:51,350 --> 01:38:48,000
bob lazar the cosmic con man we have

2677
01:38:52,709 --> 01:38:51,360
previously reported on

2678
01:38:53,669 --> 01:38:52,719
the man

2679
01:38:56,070 --> 01:38:53,679
who

2680
01:38:59,510 --> 01:38:56,080
so many times said i don't make any

2681
01:39:01,510 --> 01:38:59,520
money from telling this story

2682
01:39:04,149 --> 01:39:01,520
who has tried to cash in

2683
01:39:06,950 --> 01:39:04,159
every chance he got from selling models

2684
01:39:08,790 --> 01:39:06,960
and getting royalty checks from tester's

2685
01:39:11,350 --> 01:39:08,800
model corporation

2686
01:39:15,750 --> 01:39:11,360
to selling a vhs tape about his

2687
01:39:20,550 --> 01:39:15,760
incredible experience on vhs tape in the

2688
01:39:23,189 --> 01:39:20,560
back of science magazines in the 1980s

2689
01:39:26,870 --> 01:39:23,199
to this latest nightmare

2690
01:39:29,189 --> 01:39:26,880
attempt of his to make money

2691
01:39:31,270 --> 01:39:29,199
and stay famous

2692
01:39:34,229 --> 01:39:31,280
for telling his

2693
01:39:35,189 --> 01:39:34,239
fairy tales about working at area 51 at

2694
01:39:42,629 --> 01:39:35,199
a

2695
01:39:45,750 --> 01:39:42,639
not there

2696
01:39:50,470 --> 01:39:45,760
it's a fake a fraud

2697
01:39:57,030 --> 01:39:53,990
he's always been a con man

2698
01:40:00,390 --> 01:39:57,040
a likable con man i'll give you that

2699
01:40:03,910 --> 01:40:00,400
i wanted to believe him i love the story

2700
01:40:07,270 --> 01:40:03,920
i always wanted to believe him

2701
01:40:11,510 --> 01:40:07,280
it's fake folks it's a fraud

2702
01:40:15,910 --> 01:40:13,590
what's the latest on bob lazar the

2703
01:40:19,189 --> 01:40:15,920
latest on bob lazar is that he releases

2704
01:40:23,750 --> 01:40:21,430
and then people

2705
01:40:26,790 --> 01:40:23,760
who were close to this whole ufo con

2706
01:40:28,390 --> 01:40:26,800
story at the start say

2707
01:40:32,070 --> 01:40:28,400
wait

2708
01:40:33,350 --> 01:40:32,080
babazar couldn't have written this book

2709
01:40:36,149 --> 01:40:33,360
there's so many things that are

2710
01:40:39,030 --> 01:40:36,159
inaccurate in it about

2711
01:40:44,950 --> 01:40:42,870
one of those my friends was john leer

2712
01:40:47,430 --> 01:40:44,960
john leer was there since the start of

2713
01:40:50,149 --> 01:40:47,440
this bs story

2714
01:40:52,470 --> 01:40:50,159
i think he's qualified

2715
01:40:54,870 --> 01:40:52,480
to say a facts about

2716
01:40:57,510 --> 01:40:54,880
the sequence of events that allegedly

2717
01:41:01,510 --> 01:40:57,520
occurred are accurate or not and he read

2718
01:41:03,510 --> 01:41:01,520
the book and lost his mind on facebook

2719
01:41:05,270 --> 01:41:03,520
talking about

2720
01:41:07,669 --> 01:41:05,280
it was a ghost writer it had to be a

2721
01:41:09,030 --> 01:41:07,679
ghostwriter because all this is wrong

2722
01:41:11,350 --> 01:41:09,040
and this detail's wrong and that

2723
01:41:14,470 --> 01:41:11,360
detail's wrong i don't know did bob

2724
01:41:15,510 --> 01:41:14,480
lazar just get some ghost writer

2725
01:41:17,669 --> 01:41:15,520
like

2726
01:41:20,470 --> 01:41:17,679
gee

2727
01:41:23,750 --> 01:41:20,480
considering the publisher was

2728
01:41:25,430 --> 01:41:23,760
actually ttsa of this supposed

2729
01:41:28,709 --> 01:41:25,440
autobiography

2730
01:41:31,510 --> 01:41:28,719
written by bob lazar but

2731
01:41:34,550 --> 01:41:31,520
wasn't really written by bob lazar uh

2732
01:41:36,149 --> 01:41:34,560
yeah and ttsa tried to hide

2733
01:41:37,990 --> 01:41:36,159
initially the fact that they were

2734
01:41:40,629 --> 01:41:38,000
involved with the publication of this

2735
01:41:44,390 --> 01:41:42,149
why would they hide that they were the

2736
01:41:46,470 --> 01:41:44,400
publishers

2737
01:41:47,750 --> 01:41:46,480
tom delong's sister

2738
01:41:48,629 --> 01:41:47,760
registered

2739
01:41:52,149 --> 01:41:48,639
the

2740
01:41:53,830 --> 01:41:52,159
book

2741
01:41:59,109 --> 01:41:53,840
they were a little sloppy didn't cover

2742
01:42:03,830 --> 01:42:01,510
how much money did bob lazar get paid

2743
01:42:05,830 --> 01:42:03,840
from ttsa

2744
01:42:08,310 --> 01:42:05,840
for his book

2745
01:42:10,550 --> 01:42:08,320
so we've got tom de long taking public

2746
01:42:12,390 --> 01:42:10,560
money for investments in his company

2747
01:42:14,550 --> 01:42:12,400
ttsa

2748
01:42:15,830 --> 01:42:14,560
giving a whole bunch of money to bob

2749
01:42:19,830 --> 01:42:15,840
lazar

2750
01:42:22,310 --> 01:42:21,030
i don't know

2751
01:42:24,709 --> 01:42:22,320
friends

2752
01:42:28,629 --> 01:42:24,719
none of this sits well with me

2753
01:42:30,709 --> 01:42:28,639
you're taking money from the public

2754
01:42:35,750 --> 01:42:30,719
in investments and then you're giving

2755
01:42:41,590 --> 01:42:38,070
i just i'm not sure

2756
01:42:43,990 --> 01:42:41,600
that this sounds legitimate to me

2757
01:42:45,750 --> 01:42:44,000
but hey i'm not a lawyer you know i'm

2758
01:42:47,350 --> 01:42:45,760
not law enforcement

2759
01:42:50,229 --> 01:42:47,360
so

2760
01:42:51,109 --> 01:42:50,239
all i can do is have an opinion that i

2761
01:42:53,270 --> 01:42:51,119
think

2762
01:42:56,470 --> 01:42:53,280
something's not right here

2763
01:43:00,310 --> 01:42:56,480
especially considering how thoroughly

2764
01:43:02,390 --> 01:43:00,320
bob lazar has been debunked

2765
01:43:04,310 --> 01:43:02,400
i believe that

2766
01:43:07,189 --> 01:43:04,320
it's it's pretty convincing that bob

2767
01:43:10,229 --> 01:43:07,199
lazar is a complete and total fraud

2768
01:43:13,189 --> 01:43:10,239
so ttsa who's supposed to do disclosure

2769
01:43:15,510 --> 01:43:13,199
and all these things

2770
01:43:19,109 --> 01:43:15,520
took a bunch of money from the public

2771
01:43:23,510 --> 01:43:21,830
why would they do that friends

2772
01:43:26,310 --> 01:43:23,520
and

2773
01:43:28,870 --> 01:43:26,320
just how much money did bob lazar get

2774
01:43:33,350 --> 01:43:30,149
well

2775
01:43:35,830 --> 01:43:33,360
i'm gonna speculate here

2776
01:43:39,189 --> 01:43:35,840
on how much he got paid just a little

2777
01:43:41,830 --> 01:43:39,199
bit i'm gonna speculate

2778
01:43:45,750 --> 01:43:41,840
because of this

2779
01:43:50,950 --> 01:43:48,470
is suddenly

2780
01:43:51,669 --> 01:43:50,960
recently moving

2781
01:43:52,870 --> 01:43:51,679
to

2782
01:43:56,390 --> 01:43:52,880
a

2783
01:44:00,310 --> 01:43:56,400
property

2784
01:44:03,990 --> 01:44:01,750
folks he bought

2785
01:44:09,030 --> 01:44:04,000
uh property worth more than a million

2786
01:44:17,750 --> 01:44:10,390
right after

2787
01:44:21,030 --> 01:44:19,590
now

2788
01:44:22,470 --> 01:44:21,040
friends

2789
01:44:24,870 --> 01:44:22,480
some make all these rumors and

2790
01:44:27,830 --> 01:44:24,880
speculation

2791
01:44:31,350 --> 01:44:27,840
but there are good sources confirming

2792
01:44:36,550 --> 01:44:31,360
that this is true bob lazar bought a

2793
01:44:40,790 --> 01:44:39,109
pulling up stakes

2794
01:44:46,709 --> 01:44:40,800
moving

2795
01:44:51,669 --> 01:44:49,830
friends i find it a little coincidental

2796
01:44:56,470 --> 01:44:51,679
that bob lazar would suddenly buy a

2797
01:44:56,480 --> 01:45:00,390
his book got published

2798
01:45:05,189 --> 01:45:02,229
i don't think it's a coincidence friends

2799
01:45:06,709 --> 01:45:05,199
and i think that a reasonable person

2800
01:45:09,109 --> 01:45:06,719
could assume

2801
01:45:13,430 --> 01:45:09,119
that bob lazar got paid

2802
01:45:20,550 --> 01:45:15,430
from ttsa

2803
01:45:24,870 --> 01:45:22,870
i gotta say i've been following this bob

2804
01:45:30,790 --> 01:45:24,880
lazar guy for

2805
01:45:34,470 --> 01:45:31,990
i guess

2806
01:45:35,669 --> 01:45:34,480
my friends it just gets curiouser and

2807
01:45:37,830 --> 01:45:35,679
curiouser

2808
01:45:40,310 --> 01:45:37,840
i i call it the curious case of bob

2809
01:45:42,790 --> 01:45:40,320
lazar lately

2810
01:45:47,590 --> 01:45:42,800
and another thing friends

2811
01:45:52,550 --> 01:45:50,310
several people have pointed out to me a

2812
01:45:54,870 --> 01:45:52,560
speech that george knapp who broke the

2813
01:45:57,109 --> 01:45:54,880
bob lazar story and has been milking

2814
01:45:59,030 --> 01:45:57,119
that cow

2815
01:46:01,270 --> 01:45:59,040
faithfully

2816
01:46:03,109 --> 01:46:01,280
george knapp has milked this bubble as

2817
01:46:04,310 --> 01:46:03,119
our cow it looks like

2818
01:46:07,270 --> 01:46:04,320
you know

2819
01:46:09,990 --> 01:46:07,280
it's like a it's it's like a blimp going

2820
01:46:13,590 --> 01:46:10,000
down but george knapp is determined to

2821
01:46:14,950 --> 01:46:13,600
ride that blimp all the way down man he

2822
01:46:19,030 --> 01:46:14,960
is not

2823
01:46:21,030 --> 01:46:19,040
letting go of this story he has been

2824
01:46:21,910 --> 01:46:21,040
supporting this story

2825
01:46:23,830 --> 01:46:21,920
for

2826
01:46:31,030 --> 01:46:23,840
decades

2827
01:46:33,750 --> 01:46:31,040
so a few people after my bob lazar

2828
01:46:34,950 --> 01:46:33,760
bombshells report

2829
01:46:37,750 --> 01:46:34,960
sent me

2830
01:46:38,830 --> 01:46:37,760
links and

2831
01:46:43,189 --> 01:46:38,840
it was very

2832
01:46:44,950 --> 01:46:43,199
curious because in a speech george knapp

2833
01:46:48,550 --> 01:46:44,960
said

2834
01:46:52,830 --> 01:46:50,229
he knew

2835
01:46:55,830 --> 01:46:52,840
where some of this element 115 was

2836
01:46:59,030 --> 01:46:55,840
buried and maybe after bob was gone he

2837
01:46:59,040 --> 01:47:01,830
friends

2838
01:47:05,750 --> 01:47:03,830
people have been

2839
01:47:09,750 --> 01:47:05,760
basically calling bob lazar and george

2840
01:47:12,229 --> 01:47:09,760
and apple liar for years

2841
01:47:14,950 --> 01:47:12,239
if george knapp could really just go dig

2842
01:47:17,590 --> 01:47:14,960
up the element 115 drop it down on the

2843
01:47:19,270 --> 01:47:17,600
table and say here [\h__\h] here's the

2844
01:47:20,830 --> 01:47:19,280
proof

2845
01:47:24,709 --> 01:47:20,840
don't you think he would do

2846
01:47:28,550 --> 01:47:24,719
it he said he knows where it's buried

2847
01:47:33,030 --> 01:47:30,629
you've been making money off of this

2848
01:47:35,510 --> 01:47:33,040
story for 30 years

2849
01:47:37,830 --> 01:47:35,520
if you really had the proof

2850
01:47:39,270 --> 01:47:37,840
would you wait 30 years

2851
01:47:40,310 --> 01:47:39,280
to pull it out

2852
01:47:43,350 --> 01:47:40,320
prove

2853
01:47:46,950 --> 01:47:43,360
that this story is true

2854
01:47:49,350 --> 01:47:46,960
would you really wait 30 years or

2855
01:47:50,470 --> 01:47:49,360
more than 30 years right because you

2856
01:47:53,189 --> 01:47:50,480
haven't

2857
01:47:55,189 --> 01:47:53,199
went back and dug up that element 115

2858
01:47:57,910 --> 01:47:55,199
and dropped it down and said here's the

2859
01:47:59,270 --> 01:47:57,920
proof [\h__\h] not yet

2860
01:48:01,030 --> 01:47:59,280
mr nap

2861
01:48:04,310 --> 01:48:01,040
not yet

2862
01:48:05,270 --> 01:48:04,320
and you mr knapp were extremely nasty to

2863
01:48:08,390 --> 01:48:05,280
me

2864
01:48:09,750 --> 01:48:08,400
when i sent you the proof

2865
01:48:12,870 --> 01:48:09,760
that

2866
01:48:14,950 --> 01:48:12,880
the raid on bob lazar's business had

2867
01:48:16,550 --> 01:48:14,960
absolutely nothing to do with flying

2868
01:48:19,669 --> 01:48:16,560
saucer fuel

2869
01:48:22,229 --> 01:48:19,679
or bob lazar's crazy

2870
01:48:26,550 --> 01:48:22,239
science fiction fantasy stories about

2871
01:48:29,189 --> 01:48:26,560
working on alien spacecraft in area 51

2872
01:48:33,030 --> 01:48:29,199
that fbi raid was a criminal

2873
01:48:37,910 --> 01:48:34,629
jeremy corbell

2874
01:48:40,950 --> 01:48:37,920
you and bob lazar perpetrated a fraud on

2875
01:48:43,510 --> 01:48:40,960
everyone it's a fraud

2876
01:48:46,149 --> 01:48:43,520
what you did

2877
01:48:48,149 --> 01:48:46,159
in this documentary

2878
01:48:50,390 --> 01:48:48,159
you made it seem like the government the

2879
01:48:53,350 --> 01:48:50,400
fbi was there raiding

2880
01:48:56,149 --> 01:48:53,360
bob lazar's place to get

2881
01:48:58,310 --> 01:48:56,159
this flying saucer fuel to steal it back

2882
01:48:59,750 --> 01:48:58,320
from him a plot device that was already

2883
01:49:01,590 --> 01:48:59,760
used in the original hollywood

2884
01:49:03,109 --> 01:49:01,600
screenplay which by the way was never

2885
01:49:04,790 --> 01:49:03,119
made

2886
01:49:06,870 --> 01:49:04,800
but you borrowed that plot device for

2887
01:49:07,990 --> 01:49:06,880
your so-called documentary

2888
01:49:12,950 --> 01:49:08,000
right

2889
01:49:17,750 --> 01:49:15,430
i proved by speaking to people that were

2890
01:49:20,149 --> 01:49:17,760
actually involved in the raid

2891
01:49:22,709 --> 01:49:20,159
that you lied it had nothing to do with

2892
01:49:24,709 --> 01:49:22,719
element 115. bob lazar wasn't under

2893
01:49:26,950 --> 01:49:24,719
surveillance and no there wasn't 30 or

2894
01:49:29,830 --> 01:49:26,960
40 agents there no there was less than

2895
01:49:32,870 --> 01:49:29,840
there was 10 or less i believe

2896
01:49:35,430 --> 01:49:32,880
as i recall we proved all that

2897
01:49:37,430 --> 01:49:35,440
i sent george knapp the proof

2898
01:49:39,750 --> 01:49:37,440
and he was so nasty to me i couldn't

2899
01:49:42,149 --> 01:49:39,760
believe it like i'm sorry george that i

2900
01:49:45,430 --> 01:49:42,159
got you here dead to rights lying to

2901
01:49:49,910 --> 01:49:47,189
but here's what the police say here's

2902
01:49:52,390 --> 01:49:49,920
what the fbi say i talked to them i

2903
01:49:54,390 --> 01:49:52,400
spoke with them in detail i got the real

2904
01:49:58,390 --> 01:49:54,400
story of what happened that day george

2905
01:49:59,669 --> 01:49:58,400
knapp i'm sorry if you don't like it

2906
01:50:02,070 --> 01:49:59,679
george knapp

2907
01:50:06,229 --> 01:50:02,080
i'm sorry if i caught you lying to

2908
01:50:10,550 --> 01:50:08,790
then you send me a nasty message oh well

2909
01:50:12,149 --> 01:50:10,560
i've covered many murders how many

2910
01:50:13,669 --> 01:50:12,159
murders have you covered you don't know

2911
01:50:15,750 --> 01:50:13,679
what you're doing what do you mean i

2912
01:50:18,550 --> 01:50:15,760
don't know what i'm doing listen george

2913
01:50:21,109 --> 01:50:18,560
knapp i'm not a crack ace reporter like

2914
01:50:23,669 --> 01:50:21,119
you you're right but i got a notepad and

2915
01:50:26,310 --> 01:50:23,679
a pencil right i can write down what the

2916
01:50:30,870 --> 01:50:26,320
fbi guy that was actually there that day

2917
01:50:35,350 --> 01:50:33,030
george knapp implied that i do not have

2918
01:50:37,270 --> 01:50:35,360
the investigative skills to get to the

2919
01:50:40,550 --> 01:50:37,280
real truth

2920
01:50:43,669 --> 01:50:40,560
i'm sorry george knapp you're wrong

2921
01:50:46,709 --> 01:50:43,679
i talked to the fbi i talked to the

2922
01:50:48,629 --> 01:50:46,719
local police chief

2923
01:50:52,709 --> 01:50:48,639
i talked to people that were there that

2924
01:50:55,350 --> 01:50:52,719
day doing this raid that you guys wove

2925
01:51:00,629 --> 01:50:55,360
into your science fiction

2926
01:51:04,790 --> 01:51:02,790
i believe when that fbi raid happened

2927
01:51:06,550 --> 01:51:04,800
you guys lit up like christmas trees

2928
01:51:08,310 --> 01:51:06,560
going yeah man let's figure out how to

2929
01:51:12,790 --> 01:51:08,320
put this in get some pictures or

2930
01:51:17,030 --> 01:51:15,030
you got caught dead the rights lying to

2931
01:51:19,189 --> 01:51:17,040
everyone george knapp

2932
01:51:21,910 --> 01:51:19,199
but it wasn't just you lying everyone it

2933
01:51:24,149 --> 01:51:21,920
was bob lazar but i'm kind of used to

2934
01:51:25,830 --> 01:51:24,159
bob lazar lying to everyone i've been

2935
01:51:30,070 --> 01:51:25,840
catching him lying to everyone for a

2936
01:51:33,350 --> 01:51:30,950
and

2937
01:51:37,510 --> 01:51:33,360
who else helped you oh that's right

2938
01:51:44,310 --> 01:51:41,270
jeremy corbell purposely left out every

2939
01:51:47,030 --> 01:51:44,320
factual piece of evidence that would

2940
01:51:48,870 --> 01:51:47,040
prove that bob lazar was lying

2941
01:51:51,510 --> 01:51:48,880
from his so-called documentary it's not

2942
01:51:52,629 --> 01:51:51,520
a documentary folks

2943
01:51:55,510 --> 01:51:52,639
there's no

2944
01:51:57,270 --> 01:51:55,520
money if you just put out a documentary

2945
01:52:00,629 --> 01:51:57,280
with all the proof that this guy's a

2946
01:52:03,030 --> 01:52:00,639
liar and a fraud and a con man

2947
01:52:05,350 --> 01:52:03,040
there's no money in that

2948
01:52:07,510 --> 01:52:05,360
you gotta have a story that just may be

2949
01:52:11,189 --> 01:52:07,520
true and that's what

2950
01:52:12,550 --> 01:52:11,199
corbell did it's not a documentary

2951
01:52:14,870 --> 01:52:12,560
he lied

2952
01:52:18,790 --> 01:52:14,880
to everyone's faces

2953
01:52:22,550 --> 01:52:20,470
and so we have

2954
01:52:24,310 --> 01:52:22,560
jeremy corbell lying to everyone we have

2955
01:52:26,709 --> 01:52:24,320
george knapp lying to everyone we have

2956
01:52:28,550 --> 01:52:26,719
ttsa trying to cover up

2957
01:52:31,189 --> 01:52:28,560
the fact that they're the publisher of

2958
01:52:33,830 --> 01:52:31,199
bob lazar's book tom delong didn't want

2959
01:52:35,030 --> 01:52:33,840
you to know that he was also in on this

2960
01:52:42,310 --> 01:52:35,040
con

2961
01:52:42,320 --> 01:52:45,990
everyone but me

2962
01:52:49,910 --> 01:52:48,229
i feel a little left out

2963
01:52:53,669 --> 01:52:49,920
after all

2964
01:52:57,990 --> 01:52:54,470
but

2965
01:52:58,950 --> 01:52:58,000
the truth what is that worth

2966
01:53:00,229 --> 01:52:58,960
folks

2967
01:53:02,550 --> 01:53:00,239
i have

2968
01:53:05,830 --> 01:53:02,560
i think like i 20

2969
01:53:07,189 --> 01:53:05,840
a month on patreon that's my current

2970
01:53:08,790 --> 01:53:07,199
show's

2971
01:53:12,070 --> 01:53:08,800
financial

2972
01:53:14,310 --> 01:53:12,080
windfall right

2973
01:53:17,510 --> 01:53:14,320
there are people making a million

2974
01:53:23,750 --> 01:53:17,520
dollars selling lies

2975
01:53:27,750 --> 01:53:24,950
you know

2976
01:53:30,149 --> 01:53:27,760
i'd sure like to have a million dollars

2977
01:53:33,109 --> 01:53:30,159
but i'm kind of proud that i got to 20

2978
01:53:35,270 --> 01:53:33,119
honestly by telling the truth

2979
01:53:37,830 --> 01:53:35,280
hey man what if that trend continued

2980
01:53:40,629 --> 01:53:37,840
wouldn't that be a cool thing

2981
01:53:43,830 --> 01:53:40,639
so listen if you guys like hearing the

2982
01:53:46,950 --> 01:53:43,840
truth behind these things come on man

2983
01:53:49,669 --> 01:53:46,960
give me a dollar right a dollar a month

2984
01:53:51,910 --> 01:53:49,679
that's what patreon uh has is that's

2985
01:53:54,470 --> 01:53:51,920
what we have right now on the patreon

2986
01:53:56,950 --> 01:53:54,480
here as the minimum for a dollar a month

2987
01:53:58,550 --> 01:53:56,960
you can help me do this

2988
01:54:01,189 --> 01:53:58,560
you can help me keep doing this you can

2989
01:54:06,310 --> 01:54:01,199
help me do this better maybe

2990
01:54:09,270 --> 01:54:07,350
but hey

2991
01:54:11,270 --> 01:54:09,280
if you don't have a dollar

2992
01:54:12,709 --> 01:54:11,280
i you know i've told people this if

2993
01:54:14,470 --> 01:54:12,719
you're really that

2994
01:54:16,149 --> 01:54:14,480
interested in the show and you don't and

2995
01:54:18,390 --> 01:54:16,159
you don't have the dollar

2996
01:54:20,950 --> 01:54:18,400
if you're really broke hey i've been

2997
01:54:22,070 --> 01:54:20,960
there i kind of am there now so i

2998
01:54:24,070 --> 01:54:22,080
understand if people don't have the

2999
01:54:25,910 --> 01:54:24,080
dollar just send me a message i'll send

3000
01:54:27,430 --> 01:54:25,920
you the same benefits that the patrons

3001
01:54:28,390 --> 01:54:27,440
are getting if you're that interested in

3002
01:54:30,310 --> 01:54:28,400
the show

3003
01:54:31,589 --> 01:54:30,320
maybe you could catch up later whatever

3004
01:54:33,830 --> 01:54:31,599
you want to do

3005
01:54:35,910 --> 01:54:33,840
but i do appreciate the support of those

3006
01:54:37,589 --> 01:54:35,920
who have already signed up for this

3007
01:54:39,750 --> 01:54:37,599
patreon thing

3008
01:54:42,550 --> 01:54:39,760
i thought this might be a good way to

3009
01:54:46,470 --> 01:54:42,560
get a little bit more resources uh

3010
01:54:47,430 --> 01:54:46,480
available to us and i hope it grows

3011
01:54:51,270 --> 01:54:47,440
just

3012
01:54:53,990 --> 01:54:51,280
go to patreon and you can search

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01:54:56,550 --> 01:54:54,000
in the search box for steven cambion

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01:54:58,950 --> 01:54:56,560
you'll find the patreon there

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01:55:01,990 --> 01:54:58,960
i would really appreciate the support

3016
01:55:03,510 --> 01:55:02,000
you get a lot of uh stuff if you sign up

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you get early show access you get early

3019
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3020
01:55:13,990 --> 01:55:11,920
you get the mind hack previews and we're

3021
01:55:15,910 --> 01:55:14,000
working on a way to give everybody an

3022
01:55:18,550 --> 01:55:15,920
alpha version of this

3023
01:55:20,550 --> 01:55:18,560
alto s thing that i've been working on

3024
01:55:21,589 --> 01:55:20,560
so go to patreon

3025
01:55:23,990 --> 01:55:21,599
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01:55:27,189 --> 01:55:24,000
search for steven cambion sign up for a

3027
01:55:30,390 --> 01:55:27,199
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3028
01:55:33,990 --> 01:55:32,229
well friends our time is once again

3029
01:55:35,109 --> 01:55:34,000
running short here on the midnight hour

3030
01:55:37,270 --> 01:55:35,119
show

3031
01:55:41,430 --> 01:55:37,280
thanks for joining us until next week

3032
01:55:44,870 --> 01:55:41,440
folks i'm steven cambion reminding you

3033
01:55:48,630 --> 01:55:44,880
the truth will set you free but first it